S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

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S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby Big-Will » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:40 am

How'd it do? See y'all later. ☺
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby kfgg » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:24 am

I guess the season will end with this. Kinda sad
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby Big-Will » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:50 am

2-parter?
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby kfgg » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:06 am

When they let Tennessee Ernie Ford - Sixteen Tons play for an extended amount of time while they showed warehouse activities I knew this would wind up a two parter. Basically that signals (to me anyway) that the storyline has too much for one episode and time needed to be filled. Some things become obvious. I’m kind of sad about that. Was hoping for one more to end the season on a higher note.
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby JOSHSKORN » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:24 am

*Ahem* Did they not already do an episode where a big business drops in and local business shuts down?

Will the Amazon Fulfillment Center also fly itself away just like the Whole Foods store did?
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby JVM » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:14 am

I kind of sat out last week, but here I am again.

This episode shares a lot of elements, more superficial than substantial, with season 17's "Black Friday" and to a lesser extent, the back half of season 19 -- the promise of something shiny and new (Black Friday sales, Whole Foods) that will help the town's local economy is exciting all of our favorite characters, but they gradually come to find that there are drawbacks they didn't envision (console wars, homeless people) which opens up divisions within the focus characters that come to define and highlight the break... inevitably, the Fulfillment Center will disappear because the townspeople will realize it's only pulled them apart. I also think this is the first time we've revisited the Mall since the former episode? Funny how the locale is so written into SP lore but very rarely actually shows up, lol

Most interestingly to me about this episode though is it's probably Stuart McCormick's first sizable role in the show in, what a decade? He's mostly been around the last ten years as Kenny's Dad and another voice in the crowd for Matt; so it's really nice to see a little more of who he is as a person. For all of the jokes in early seasons about his inability to hold a job, he's clearly proud of himself here, values his work, and when it comes to Josh's near-death, you can sort of respect his reasons for protesting. He's certainly got 'tegridy. Skeeter also scored a few lines, too.

What really hit me a lot here was Cartman's little speech about how things have changed for the boys - how it used to just be the four of them, how nobody talks to Kenny, and can't we do one more time just for the four of us, together? I think it really hit home, and for once, it felt all the more meaningful coming from Cartman, who is the least nostalgic character in the entire show. It's been a milder pet issue for me that the increased use of Butters, Jimmy, Token and other fourth graders alongside the main boys as someone diminished the main unit, and not helped these other characters either, who don't add much to those stories nor and their own focus episodes are still far apart. I'm curious if that was just a joke to set up the plot, or if the show is going to explore how/why the boys' dynamic changed.

Seeing the Raisins Girls as normal fourth graders is also something I've hoped the show would do for so long I already sort of gave up. Good move. We also got to see Wendy and her parents for a second, which was nice.

I didn't notice many references to Buddha Box, so maybe last week's episode was just a bizarre one-off, or we're supposed to assume PCP and VPSW enforced their anti-phone policy off-screen the next day... although funny, because this episode still had cardboard box imagery :)

We'll see if next week's episode just concludes these two storylines or tries to be a season capper. A lot of subtle signs from throughout the season feel like they're pointing to some kind of conclusion, but this episode didn't bring out much from the previous episodes, either, so we'll see.
*Ahem* Did they not already do an episode where a big business drops in and local business shuts down?
I don't think M&T are trying to focus on local business this time as much as effect on workers, which the Wal-Mart episode did not go into much except to note how Wall*Mart hired the handicapped and elderly. I don't blame you for thinking it's similar though, fyi, just suggesting what I assume they're thinking is.
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby triplemultiplex » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:56 pm

High drama! I speculated about parallels between the warehouse workers and 19th Century coal miners and right off the bat we get exactly that with "16 Tons".

There were some very leftist ideas being delivered straight in this episode with no mockery. These are not things I've heard from something written by Trey Parker before, and frankly I'm a little hard still. It's like finding out your girlfriend likes your favorite TV show after seeming lukewarm about it at first. Trey has usually had a strong libertarian streak to him that finds its way into the show occasionally. So this feels like an important 'coming to the light' from my perspective. Of course it could all be just to elevate the drama and set up the dropping of the other shoe next week, but for now it feels pretty good. After so much time building a sympathetic, pro-union case for Amazon workers, it would be a surprise to reverse course.

Bezos as one of the brainy aliens from that one episode of the original Star Trek was easily my biggest laugh. I can't believe I never noticed how much he looks like that with his bald head. The mall stuff was great and there we had the interjection about free market economics; stores can't compete with the selection of online retail, so they fade away. Just ask Sears and Kmart. Even WalMart would be struggling today if they didn't go heavy into groceries 20 years ago.

Next week could be upsetting, though, because where I sit, the boys are going to be helping the wrong side in the coming fight. They are kids who only care about their one little selfish thing and in that way are the perfect metaphor for consumers making small, convenient choices with no regard for the consequences. But that still means they are going to start next week doing the wrong thing.
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby JamesPolo » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:47 am

I really liked the Irish stuff as I just wrote a Good Friday Agreement paper for a government class. I liked the episode. I want more of the mutants. They make me think of the X-Men and how Stan Lee died recently. Jubilee always liked the mall. The Polish kid competing with Butters was a nice touch.


I really like the Irish rate now so I loved the episode.
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby JamesPolo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:41 am

Now that I think of it, there have been these yellow vest protests in France and Europe recently. I wonder if that had any impact on South Park making this episode as the Amazon workers wears vests too. Just a weird impression as the Yellow Vest protests are serious news rate now in Europe.
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby Big-Will » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Yellow vests are a common safety feature all around the world, since yellow is quite a visible color even in the dark, so yes, Amazon workers wear them too.
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby Airborn56 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:03 am

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Can't wait for this weeks episode too!
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby Big-Will » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:38 am

Whoa, they're going all out with period electronics. :D
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby JVM » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:59 am

triplemultiplex wrote:There were some very leftist ideas being delivered straight in this episode with no mockery. These are not things I've heard from something written by Trey Parker before, and frankly I'm a little hard still.
Dude, keep it in your pants, I-
triplemultiplex wrote:It's like finding out your girlfriend likes your favorite TV show after seeming lukewarm about it at first.
"Oh, you're serious! Let me laugh even harder!"

I'm being silly, but I actually understand what you mean. My lack of pre-air interest in this episode was under the assumption the show would end with a half-assed solution with no real world relevance, play some kind of "this one SPECIFIC witch needs to be brought down" attitude which never feels right from this show, or play the personal responsibility card... which was valid in the Wall*Mart episode but that's exactly why applying it here wouldn't have worked. Replaying the same themes in a similar situation usually results in a highly diminished return - as we saw with "Buddha Box".
triplemultiplex wrote:Trey has usually had a strong libertarian streak to him that finds its way into the show occasionally. So this feels like an important 'coming to the light' from my perspective. Of course it could all be just to elevate the drama and set up the dropping of the other shoe next week, but for now it feels pretty good. After so much time building a sympathetic, pro-union case for Amazon workers, it would be a surprise to reverse course.
One of the difficult things about South Park in and of itself, particularly as a result of the show's desire to be a satire first and foremost, is that while they've done multi-part episodes since the very first season, in contrast to most shows which treat these as one long story, South Park treats each episode as its own, often giving each part its own themes, ideas and sometimes jokes. While on one hand this increases the value of the individual episode, something that's being lost in today's age of streaming, it also results in a lot of disjointed storytelling. I really like "Super Hard PCness" and "Splatty Tomoato", for example, but I don't feel like they really follow together well because they're so different; even their approach to the continuing thread feels wildly different.

I think the libertarian streak is still strong, but I think it has to do with how Trey and Matt approach the issue. Looking back to "Die Hippie, Die" when the hippies describe 'exchanging goods and services' and Kyle points out "Yeah, that's a town" and it seems to be a defense of capitalism in light of the hippies, who are clearly allied with communes and socialism here. It also goes back to "Gnomes" which favors corporations but only contrasts a local business with a franchise, not a big box. I think in Trey's eyes, capitalism is ideal for small business, and he defends it on that merit, but through the example of Amazon, he sees a monopoly and feels critical of that; it makes for an interesting comparison to the season's criticism of technology ("Tegridy Farms", "The Scoots", "Buddha Box") and a few instances ("A Boy and a Priest", "Tegridy Farms") of characters choosing to focus instead on nature, though in the latter case, capitalism is still involved.

Still, as much as I want to downplay the idea that Trey Parker is suddenly becoming a liberal, I was very much myself impressed that the episode seemed to show was favorable to Union workers in an era where the issue is either only shown through a historical lens or ignored entirely in entertainment. I appreciate it all the more that it used some adult characters besides Randy or Gerald, who would've felt a little forced into an idea like this; even if the storyline doesn't go anywhere fun, I think this has added a little more to what South Park can be, and what it can do. (That's how I feel about the whole season at this point, even at it's low points.)
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Re: S22E09: "Unfulfilled" postshow discussion.

Postby mo303564 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:43 am

Interesting Episode. Another 2 parter.

A bike Parade subplot. Kinda interesting. Larry sounds like a rich bratish dick. Kinda wish he was Garrison's (Trumps) illegimate child XD.

The entire town is addicted to Amazon. What's happened?? It's taken over!
Tweek's Coffee: Gone! The Mall: Deserted except for "Zombie Employees" (True story in most areas btw :/)
Mr. Stotch, Mr. McCormick, Mr. SLAVE, and Skeeter...all work for Bezos. Who they really make creepy AF.
Is he supposed to be almost psychic or something. I was almost wondering when he was gonna use Telekenisis lol.

So this entire thing was started by a work accident that they claimed was "Human Error". Like Computers cannot make mistakes :roll: So On Strike it is for better pay....wages....and work compensation. (Trade Wars across the globe! Macron and May could be losing their jobs over this. Just wish Trump could too!) Amazon has punished their own hard workers by taking away Their prime membership and replacing them with "USDA Choice" :lol: Almost sounds as bad as eating Cookie Dough or Romaine Lettace! :P
So Mr. Stotch believes Butters can win and will fight on with *Perhaps* the help of the Zombie Mall people...Bezos and a mayor who's job is on the line. Part 2 wednesday!

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