The Official Election '08 thread

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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby psnthewell12 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:26 am

So last time I checked America was supposed to be a democracy right? So why is this bastard talking about "socializing" medicine amongst other things. The government needs to take their noses out of our goddamn business. Equality means equal right to fail and equal right to succeed. Social Darwinism is a bitch but someone has to die so the rest of us can eat. So kindly f*ck YOU OBAMA AND SUPPORTERS YOU MARXIST assh*les. I don't feel like paying for crackhead Jamal's welfare out of my paycheck that just doesn't seem fair to me. I don't want to be taxed so some old assh*le can abuse the healthcare system and live to be a hundred sorry but you should ide and give me my money back.
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby gtaca2005 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:42 am

psnthewell12 wrote:So last time I checked America was supposed to be a democracy right? So why is this bastard talking about "socializing" medicine amongst other things. The government needs to take their noses out of our goddamn business. Equality means equal right to fail and equal right to succeed. Social Darwinism is a bitch but someone has to die so the rest of us can eat. So kindly f*ck YOU OBAMA AND SUPPORTERS YOU MARXIST assh*les. I don't feel like paying for crackhead Jamal's welfare out of my paycheck that just doesn't seem fair to me. I don't want to be taxed so some old assh*le can abuse the healthcare system and live to be a hundred sorry but you should ide and give me my money back.

EVERY argument has been discussed and/or deeply talked about on national TV before the election. And through DEMOCRACY, the people have elected Obama. You are a bigot.

I have nothing wrong with fiscal Conservatives...
You may seem to be expressing fiscal views, but look into it deeper and you can see your hatred for fairness come out.

I DO believe in Capitalism, but it MUST be fair.
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:14 am

psnthewell12 wrote:So last time I checked America was supposed to be a democracy right? So why is this bastard talking about "socializing" medicine amongst other things. The government needs to take their noses out of our goddamn business.

so you think people with no money shouldnt get medical attention huh? easy for you to say, if you can post in here it surely means you have a certain ammount of money, so as long as you are safe the others can be screwed huh? :P
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby SouthParks#1Fan » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:13 am

So did that black guy with the arab name win? I think he did, marack obama won didnt he?, Haha, bet you 11 bucks and my right testicle that he gets assasinated. Well, i guess its fair not call the White house, the White house any more LOL, Brace yourselves americans, Riots await....
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby Michaeloptv » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:20 pm

I wouldn't go as far as the guy above....

But yeah, his predisisors were Abraham Lincoln and MLK.

And I can tell you right now that if he steps anywhere in the south..... :roll: :shock:
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby psnthewell12 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:13 pm

I enjoy how everyone tries to make me sound like a bad person and feel bad about myself. In reality we are all animals with primal instincts I'm just a little more primal than the rest of you sorry. I believe in survival of the fittest and the reason I'm able to be here and have money was become my ancestors were the fittest. My lineage survived and if your lineage has to end with you than so be it. Equality goes both ways you can fail and you can succeed. That's all there is to it.
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby gtaca2005 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:33 pm

psnthewell12 wrote:I enjoy how everyone tries to make me sound like a bad person and feel bad about myself. In reality we are all animals with primal instincts I'm just a little more primal than the rest of you sorry. I believe in survival of the fittest and the reason I'm able to be here and have money was become my ancestors were the fittest. My lineage survived and if your lineage has to end with you than so be it. Equality goes both ways you can fail and you can succeed. That's all there is to it.

You sound just like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the two kids that shot up Columbine High School in Colorado. You are on a slippery slop at your school I bet? Are people afraid that you might snap?
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby superiorsavior » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:52 pm

I like to take kids who think they're social darwinists as as much of a joke as the beliefs they hold but, after seeing 'naturalselector89' from youtube go on the Jockella shooting, I've taken people like this with a grain less salt. The best thing I've found to tell them is that they're the WEAK ones if they die before they have children, like E and D did. This guy doesn't say he wants to immitate Red and VoDkA; I myself went through a stupid phase where I worshiped those guys, still scares me how much like Dyan I used to think, but like me this guy will probably get over it. A much more realistic fear is that he'll hold unfounded economic policies, almost as dammaging as bullets to the poor, all his life.

Social Darwinism is a bitch but someone has to die so the rest of us can eat

People eat human flesh now do they? Seriously, social darwinists are the first victims of real Darwinian theory. Social animals are better suited to this world than individuals- they survive to breeding age more often than individual, lone-woolves, and so become common in the population. Living in harmony with others of your kind and helping them spreads your genes. Go read Dawkins "the selfish gene" or Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid," or any biology textbook before you make these stupid claims.

Scientifically, the practices social darwinism urges are never going to remove 'bad' genes from the pool and are highly unlikely to prevent their expression. Only a planned breeding programme lasting centuries of years, ther introduced better, stronger genes (kind of like adding amendments to the constitution) would truely change the genes that are most commonly expressed. Even if killing people was a method of changing the phenotype of humanity, surely it's less ethical than just stopping people with 'bad' genes from reproducing?

YOU OBAMA AND SUPPORTERS YOU MARXIST

Anyone who has the gene for 'typing in all caps' must die :p

So why is this bastard talking about "socializing" medicine amongst other things

Democracy =/= capitalism. It's possible to be a full-blooded communist and still be a democracy, if the people vote for the marxist party. Obama is nowhere nearly as economically or socially left-wing as Britain's most right-wing candidate. Humanity needs various 'specialised' people to survive, there isn't one 'good' phenotype; it's like a body of only one cell type, or a cell with only one kind of organelle, it wouldn't have the division of labour and it'd DIE. Faliure in the capitalist system =/= bad genetic code; Those that suceed in this system are generally parasitic number crunchers working in wall-street, not those working in the sciences improoving society or even the strong sodier types.

In reality we are all animals with primal instincts

Including moral instincts, such as sympathy and conscience. Now WHY did they EVOLVE I wonder?

bet you 11 bucks and my right testicle that he gets assasinated
Not if everyone who wants to kill him is Stupuid enough to post their plans online for all to see. Only if they can get through his 600+ full time bodyguards as well.
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:27 pm

psnthewell12 wrote:I enjoy how everyone tries to make me sound like a bad person and feel bad about myself. In reality we are all animals with primal instincts I'm just a little more primal than the rest of you sorry. I believe in survival of the fittest and the reason I'm able to be here and have money was become my ancestors were the fittest. My lineage survived and if your lineage has to end with you than so be it. Equality goes both ways you can fail and you can succeed. That's all there is to it.

do tell...
thats kind of a retarded and barbarian way to look at the situation imho, we dont live in the woods dude, and we are certainly not borned with equal opportunities
i was mostly pointing out the fact of how easy its for you to speak this way when you've probably had all your basic needs covered since the day you were borned with sweet enough money
if what you wrote is seriously the way you think then you would be more fit in brazil's amazon rainforest than in the city with a computer in which you are able to write, which you were evidently able to afford too

this being said, my real opinion on the situation is that even though it would be great to have free health care for everyone in the US, i feel as though there are way more pressing matters right now, like dealing with the economy crisis, that should be the priority rather than something like free health care which of course is gonna be expensive for the government since the money has to come from somewhere after all
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby superiorsavior » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:33 pm

Though you're right, that there are more important issues now, we shouldn't let the economic crisis blot out the healthcare crisis, the end to which could prevent future economic collapse. In fact, the money troubles give Obama a unique opportunity to change policy on healthcare. I'm still of the oppinion that, if the UK can have free healthcare, and if Cannada can have semi-privatised healthcare, so can the US. We havn't ended the NHS because of the economic crisis :p

I strongly suggest any 'social darwinist' reads Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution or The selfish gene to see how scientifically wrong they are.
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:03 pm

superiorsavior wrote:Though you're right, that there are more important issues now, we shouldn't let the economic crisis blot out the healthcare crisis, the end to which could prevent future economic collapse. In fact, the money troubles give Obama a unique opportunity to change policy on healthcare. I'm still of the oppinion that, if the UK can have free healthcare, and if Cannada can have semi-privatised healthcare, so can the US. We havn't ended the NHS because of the economic crisis :p

oh dude i totally agree with the importance of free health care, as a matter of fact i live in argentina and in here we have had free health care for some time now, if we can have it then its totally do-able in USA dude

but i think it should have been done a couple of years ago when things were more stable rather than now when things are probably gonna get much worse in your country before they start getting better, this might get as bad as 1930, i dont see free health care happening any time soon, how is the government gonna come up with the money to cover all the expenses? i hope im wrong, but im trying to be realistic here, the economic crisis is the priority right now
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby Erthan » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:42 am

I'm just happy that the election is over and that we don't have to keep talking about it. :)
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby gtaca2005 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:48 am

Erthan wrote:I'm just happy that the election is over and that we don't have to keep talking about it. :)

The next political season is just around the corner... :shock:
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby Pip Tweek » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:03 am

psnthewell12 wrote:So last time I checked America was supposed to be a democracy right? So why is this bastard talking about "socializing" medicine amongst other things. The government needs to take their noses out of our goddamn business. Equality means equal right to fail and equal right to succeed. Social Darwinism is a bitch but someone has to die so the rest of us can eat. So kindly f*ck YOU OBAMA AND SUPPORTERS YOU MARXIST assh*les. I don't feel like paying for crackhead Jamal's welfare out of my paycheck that just doesn't seem fair to me. I don't want to be taxed so some old assh*le can abuse the healthcare system and live to be a hundred sorry but you should ide and give me my money back.


You obviously don't live in the real world, kiddo.

Yeah, I'm all about being accountable for one's own life, but you know what? We DON'T have "equal rights" to fail or succeed. If all it took was hard work to succeed, then a lot more people wouldn't be unemployed right now. Likewise, there are all kinds of derelict layabouts who enjoy the trappings of "success" due to the wealth of their families.

And we may all just be talking animals with opposable thumbs, but we live in something called "society" which means that we are all part of something greater than ourselves. Can you really look at, for example, the blind, the handicapped, and the mentally retarded and just consider them "the unfit" and let them perish?

If that's how you really feel, then you are a true sociopath and should be eliminated like those you would neglect.
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Re: The Official Election '08 thread

Postby superiorsavior » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:42 am

Concerning the economic crisis, I think healthy people make better workers, and so improving the healthcare system would probably improve the economy. I don't thnk you can provide a long-term solution to one of these problems without solving the other. Plus the companies are weaker now and would probably be more willing to accept deals from the government.

It's pretty hard to escape from social darwinism, now I think about it; People's evolved sense of moral judgment seems to be a natural version of the theory, giving people a desire to inflict harm on those who behave in a way that threatens social harmony, or even those who simply profess beliefs that could harm society. But it all just goes to show how sociopathy =/= strength.

I was worrying about how to respond to 'equal rights to succeed or fail' without just saying that we don't really have equal rights; then I realised that rights are unevidenced and the burden of proof rests on you to show me that we really do have this contradictory set of rights. Which I bet you can't do.
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