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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:50 am

Why is anyone surprised that the majority of home school kids come from very religious families? Growing up, I knew a girl from one of those familes. She wasn't allowed to go to public school, but she was in girl scouts with me when I was in 5th grade. She was my best friend in our girl scout troop, even though I already knew I pretty much wanted nothing to do with Christianity.She was one of the few girls in our troop who wasn't a bitch.What was funny was some of the bitchy girls in our troop accused us of being gay, and that was long before I realized I was bi. Hmmm, maybe I should look her up and steal her from her husband..LOL..I have known other people too who were home schooled and the educational back ground might have been religious. All I can say is that person doesn't seem to be bigotted against the gay people we both know, and she doesn't push her beliefs on anyone around us, so I don't feel I have the right to judge her up bringing.


Now as for the comments on that article. I saw some ugly stuff, both from the Christians and the athiests. And I saw some people who say that they believe in Evolution, but they don't feel it cancels out the idea that there also could be a God or Gods. And that is how I feel. I took biology 10 years ago in community college, we went over what the theory of Evolution is, and some about Charles Darwin's life and the history behind his writings. And guess what, our biology teacher was Christian, but he believed in Evolution too, but he didn't throw in any stuff about God in our lesson. Someone can believe in Science and Supernatural things at the same time. So I think it is really sad that both Christians ( notice I didn't say religious people, most Pagans and Wiccans I know don't seem to really get involved in the Creation/Evolution debate, and I have never really heard of any Buddhists doing that either) and Atheists say completely assholish things to eachother over this. It is an arguement assh*les on either side of the debate are not going to win. It is just going to create hate and anger on both sides.

I think there should be more books that do not deal with religion for people who choose to home school their kids for reasons other than religion. And I don't really like that certain people home school their kids to push religion on them. What someone believes about religion should be their own choice. But at the same time, we can't force people not to teach religion to their kids, that would not be ethical either. It is not right for Christians to scare people with Hell to get them to change their beliefs, and it isn't right for Athiests to belittle people and insult their beliefs to get them to change either. It should be the individual's right to decide what they believe on their own without being pressured, intimidated or belittled.

Anyway, I am sick of the Evolution/Creation debate.I have been sick of it for 10 years, since I started noticing that debate going on in the letters to the editor in our local paper, and these debates were going on for a really long time. Both sides can tell me why it is important that they are right and that kids learn about their version of how the earth and this whole stupid race of humans came to be, but I don't care. I am a lot more concerned about where this whole miserable society is going if people can become this hateful to each other over differences in ideas about where we came from. I realize this isn't what a lot of you want to hear, because trashing the other side is a lot of fun, I know that from experience. People need to find a way to get along, and learn to accept everyone, instead of bitching about who is right or wrong in this arugement, and I know realistically there is no easy solution, but if we can't at least try to promote acceptance for everyone regardless of what they believe, then it isn't hard to see how we might be f*cked.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby evilcupcake72 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:33 pm

I hate it when people push their beliefs on me

pretty much putting a gun to my head to go to Church

all Church is, is a social event that pretty much abolishses everything Christianity is about

last year it hit me, I tried Church, and even Wicca but it didn't float my boat. I was through with trying to go to Church with my friends, I was through with Christiantity, I was through with all Religion period

ugh FML, a thirteen year old agnostic liberal girl in Texas of all places

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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:05 am

I have a question about the Texas part..A long time ago I saw this documentary called Hell House. It was basically this guy filmed this haunted house type thing this church in Texas did for Halloween. I watched it and I thought it was pretty sick and twisted. Like in the house, they had this actress who was playing a girl who I think got drugged and raped at a party, and there was this person playing a demon telling her to kill herself..I watch a lot of horror, but that idea is a lot sicker than what you see in most movies. You don't really see churches do anything like that in Washington state for Halloween. They do have some kind of "Harvest party" that seem to have nothing do with Halloween, and I just kind of laugh at that because it is lame, then kind of do what I normally do even if it isn't Halloween. Practice witchcraft, watch horror movies, and eat candy.. Well, do you see a lot of those Hell Houses around October 31rst in Texas? How hardcore are they over there about scaring people into following their beliefs?
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Postby BRMBug » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:25 am

Haunted houses really aren't my thing, but I can say that there are definitely more "scare the sh*t out of you" places than "scare the Jeebus into you" type of places around this part of the bible blet... belt. (damn lysdexia again) At least going by the ones I see set up, I see more of the former around than the latter.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby jesussdad » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:26 pm

church is a place people go on sunday to compare clothes-- bill hicks.
this film has a good deconstruction of religion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zeitgeist#
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Postby Niels0827 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:17 pm

jesussdad wrote:church is a place people go on sunday to compare clothes-- bill hicks.
this film has a good deconstruction of religion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zeitgeist#


Have you ever seen Religulous? That movie is hilarious. It's the ultimate deconstruction.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby triplemultiplex » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:45 pm

jesussdad wrote:this film has a good deconstruction of religion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zeitgeist#


Ugh, "Zeitgest."
That's infamous for illogically stringing together all kinds of conspiracy theories with misinformation and outright lies. But it sucks people in because the guy will say something somewhere in the vid that the viewer totally agrees with. The whole thing falls apart with even the most basic fact check.

It's a horrible deconstruction of religion in particular. Here's a good explanation of why:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4196

It's the perfect example of somebody being contrary for the sake of being contrary without exercising any critical thinking.
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Postby M00ndragon69 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:11 am

Ehh, don't really care about any of those documentaries. I have taken philosophy of religion and a history class and an Anthropology class that dealt with religion. And I research stuff on my own. I don't really care to see a documentary that tells me why religion is bad, and as for the deconstruction stuff, I already know exactly how much of Christianity was stolen from various Pagan cultures, because, duh, I am Pagan. No, if I am going to watch a documentary, I want to see a f*cking freak show. Maybe I will watch that Jesus Camp movie, because from what I know about it, that is some f*cked up, scary sh*t right there.

I haven't actually watched Zeitgeist, but I am kind of turned off by it, because my former roommate was obsesed with it. He thought it was so great, he is the one who now pretty much f*cking lives at AA. Since we are on the topic of being anti organized religion, what the f*ck about AA? I mean, believing and praying to some higher power is demanded as part of their 12 step program. Last summer, when my roommate started being a huge assh*le to me and our friend Daniel, because we didn't want to go to the meetings with him ( Daniel doesn't even drink, and I have like one drink a week) I went online and started researching that organization. Sounds like they say your higher power can be anything you want, but at the same time they make praying to He/she/it manditory. I don't think that is right, and since he turned into an assh*le towards us and was going to 2 or 3 meetings a day, I kind of think they are a cult.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby jesussdad » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:53 am

triplemultiplex wrote:
jesussdad wrote:this film has a good deconstruction of religion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zeitgeist#


Ugh, "Zeitgest."
That's infamous for illogically stringing together all kinds of conspiracy theories with misinformation and outright lies. But it sucks people in because the guy will say something somewhere in the vid that the viewer totally agrees with. The whole thing falls apart with even the most basic fact check.

It's a horrible deconstruction of religion in particular. Here's a good explanation of why:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4196

It's the perfect example of somebody being contrary for the sake of being contrary without exercising any critical thinking.


oh. your one of those are you? im not a zeitgeist supporter and that whole venus project aint my thing but that article you posted is just a string of claims with nothing to back it up. since z came out there has even been new discoverys which further back up its religious deconstruction .
as for the "other conspiracy theories" they can be proven correct with the most basic fact check.
if you don't already know it the 9/11 commission have themselves called it a cover up and nist have had to retract and amend their bullsh*t report. if you dont know where that leads youre as dumb as you sound. and before you start up , ive seen it all. and dodged the disinfo.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby jesussdad » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:02 am

M00ndragon69 wrote:Ehh, don't really care about any of those documentaries. I have taken philosophy of religion and a history class and an Anthropology class that dealt with religion. And I research stuff on my own. I don't really care to see a documentary that tells me why religion is bad, and as for the deconstruction stuff, I already know exactly how much of Christianity was stolen from various Pagan cultures, because, duh, I am Pagan. No, if I am going to watch a documentary, I want to see a f*cking freak show. Maybe I will watch that Jesus Camp movie, because from what I know about it, that is some f*cked up, scary sh*t right there.

I haven't actually watched Zeitgeist, but I am kind of turned off by it, because my former roommate was obsesed with it. He thought it was so great, he is the one who now pretty much f*cking lives at AA. Since we are on the topic of being anti organized religion, what the f*ck about AA? I mean, believing and praying to some higher power is demanded as part of their 12 step program. Last summer, when my roommate started being a huge assh*le to me and our friend Daniel, because we didn't want to go to the meetings with him ( Daniel doesn't even drink, and I have like one drink a week) I went online and started researching that organization. Sounds like they say your higher power can be anything you want, but at the same time they make praying to He/she/it manditory. I don't think that is right, and since he turned into an assh*le towards us and was going to 2 or 3 meetings a day, I kind of think they are a cult.


yeah that whole AA forced religion thing is beyond funny. sounds more like your friend is just a moron . i hope your not suggesting that watching a film turns people into raging alcoholics . sounds like a sp episode
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Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:36 pm

jesussdad wrote:
triplemultiplex wrote:
jesussdad wrote:this film has a good deconstruction of religion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... zeitgeist#


Ugh, "Zeitgest."
That's infamous for illogically stringing together all kinds of conspiracy theories with misinformation and outright lies. But it sucks people in because the guy will say something somewhere in the vid that the viewer totally agrees with. The whole thing falls apart with even the most basic fact check.

It's a horrible deconstruction of religion in particular. Here's a good explanation of why:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4196

It's the perfect example of somebody being contrary for the sake of being contrary without exercising any critical thinking.


oh. your one of those are you? im not a zeitgeist supporter and that whole venus project aint my thing but that article you posted is just a string of claims with nothing to back it up. since z came out there has even been new discoverys which further back up its religious deconstruction .
as for the "other conspiracy theories" they can be proven correct with the most basic fact check.
if you don't already know it the 9/11 commission have themselves called it a cover up and nist have had to retract and amend their bullsh*t report. if you dont know where that leads youre as dumb as you sound. and before you start up , ive seen it all. and dodged the disinfo.



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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby 2+2=5 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:35 pm

Observing through the healthcare debate how important political reforms are to the welfare of the people, I realize the harm done by religion is of such a comparitively small scale as to render militancy in athiesm unfounded, and possible condemnably dangerous if it imperils legislation or reforms that could truly help people. Religion was primarilly used in this debate to foster support in the face of evidence for damnable opposition to the Bill in the face of the good it could do; the pill of lies about it were swallowed more easilly with the water of dogmatic support for what they believed to be a black/white religious issue to drink them with, and as such religion was used harmfully in the debate, but could have been combatted much more effectively by reframing the issue as a non-religious one.

Just as Creationism can be most easily slain by denying the conflict between evolution (which it must be remembered is a buzzword for any science concerning our origins at all in the minds of the average Creationist) so too can the impact of God on legislative debate be minimized best by exorcising the debate from that arena. While the use of religiously motivated opposition to abortion showed how dangerous faith can be, the mindset underlying it is the real problem, and cannot be targeted with a simple attack on Theism; a new godless dogma, like that promoted in Zeitgeist, will rush to fill the hole. Speaking of that movie, "jesussdad" is not doing a great job in his last post of proving he's NOT a supporter of it.

Despite holding a less biased mindset now, it is next to impossible to identify reliable evidence regarding the social impacts of different kinds of religion on different kinds of people; as varied as they must be there have to be some general rules, or research disproving the existence of generalities at least. Without such evidence I am left to speculate but from what little i can see of the distribution of religiosity, i would state that the more dangerous brands are found primarily among the disenfranchised poor and that the best means of tackling god, aside from general education and technology, is improvement in social welfare. The best thing athiests could do for their cause, which ultimately must be seen to be complete once god is no longer thought of in any more high esteem than Zeus or Wotan, may well be to ignore the issue, and fight for social justice; difficult when the right injects God into any discussion of such matters, but nesicary to kill that tactic. Though the athiesm is a side-benefit of any such legislation.

On a more philosophical / athiestic note, I read in 2007 that concpiricy theories exist because people don't want little causes for big events; lone gunman for JFK, car crash for princess Dianna...can we add natural cause for life the universe and everything to that list?

As for 'pushing your beliefs on others' I must reiterate that to count questions or arguments in this catagory, especially in a place earmarked for debate but in any context minimises the kind of behaviour that should fit the term, nameley any argument from force / threat of harm weather implied or directly stated. If one truly believes something is the most important consideration, as Christians believe their god is compared to all possible worldly considerations, and PETA members and pro-lifers believe their chosen causes are to anything short of the holocaust, which I assume all here would be willing to at least use the threat of implied force to prevent; one should force one's beliefs on others, or one does not really hold to ones professed views.

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Postby seamus yarr » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:52 pm

why are everyones posts so long when they post here?
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Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:54 pm

seamus yarr wrote:why are everyones posts so long when they post here?

Only on religion and politics.

I like keeping mine small.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Pip Tweek » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:49 am

jesussdad wrote:
oh. your one of those are you? im not a zeitgeist supporter and that whole venus project aint my thing but that article you posted is just a string of claims with nothing to back it up. since z came out there has even been new discoverys which further back up its religious deconstruction .


O rly? Like what?

jesussdad wrote:as for the "other conspiracy theories" they can be proven correct with the most basic fact check.


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jesussdad wrote:if you don't already know it the 9/11 commission have themselves called it a cover up and nist have had to retract and amend their bullsh*t report. if you dont know where that leads youre as dumb as you sound.


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IT WAS CRAB PEOPLE!

jesussdad wrote:and before you start up , ive seen it all. and dodged the disinfo.


I guess there's no arguing with someone who's seen EVERYTHING.

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