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Postby Wii fit man » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:56 am

seamus yarr wrote:why are everyones posts so long when they post here?

Posts that are only one line suck.
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Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:25 am

Wii fit man wrote:
seamus yarr wrote:why are everyones posts so long when they post here?

Posts that are only one line suck.

I see what you did there.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:04 am

I don't make short posts cause I like to write.

Wii, I wasn't saying that the film turned my ex roommate into a ragging alcoholic. No, he did that to himself, as well as becoming a meth addict, a long time before I met him. You know what else? He didn't tell me he had these problems before he moved in, I had to find that out gradually. He did so many things last year that pissed me off, think you have seen me pissed off in a debate on this board, think again. No one here, ate my food and didn't pay me back, didn't do his share of the chores, constantly lied to me, and brought drama into my house. I said I didn't want to watch that film for the same reason I am turned off by all the Saw movies now. He liked them, and it reminds me of him.


Now SS, what views do you have that you feel are so important that you have to ram them down everyone's throat, because if you don't it is like letting the Holocaust happen? And why do feel the need to envoke the idea of the holocaust in your arguement? That is as cliche as comparing someone to Hitler, someone who isn't even a fifth as bad as he was, or calling someone a Nazi. You know, some people feel that when people do that in an online debate it undermines how serious the real holocaust was.

I feel that people shouldn't ram their beliefs down other people's throats because I don't like it when people do that to me. Most people hate it when someone keeps on preaching to them about something they don't agree with or don't want anything to do with. If you do really care about an issue, it is fine to inform people about it, and give your opinion, but when that crosses the line, and you are threatening people, condensing to them, giving them guilt trips, you are actually only hurting your own cause. People do not like being talked to like that. Like for example, look at what people say when they hear the name PETA, even if they are against things like animal testing and abuse, they see people in that organizations as nutcases and they make fun of them.


Now as for my own beliefs, as I said I do not like Christians and Atheists pushing their beliefs on me, I do not want to be like those people. Most Neo Pagans don't, as you can see if you go research a lot of Wiccan or Pagan sites. It isn't part of our philosophy to go out and convert people. If someone is interested, they will ask questions, and if really want to get into it, they won't need to be pushed.
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Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:53 am

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Postby 2+2=5 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:19 am

I don't want to derail the thread discussing this for the 10th time so I'll keep this brief. Your definition of 'forcing' views on others would almost certainly include the way in which you discuss your views on that topic, which you proselytize like the most evangelical atheist.

If you read my post you'll know that my definition of the term requires the implicit or explicit threat of harm to the person; while not everyone would refrain from rejecting the idea pressed, many ideas are identical to an action or can be spread through a certain lifestyle that may be possible to bring into being with violence leading others into belief, though almost impossible over the internet. Though even these do not always work, few would argue that the use of drugs, torture and psychological techniques to pursuade others 1984 style forces a belief.

Appeals to emotion are unavoidable in debate, but the use of them, including insults "condescending them, giving them guilt trips", to make a visceral point could potentially be classified as 'force.' Its impossible to prove something so subjective so i like to keep it out of discourse, but some people could find your style 'condescending,' does this mean your 'forcing' others to believe as you do? More objectively, much of your text would be meaningless without the emotional element it is intended to evoke, sometimes 'guilt trips,' I can't see any content from these little stories you tell from your personal life that are not badly veiled attempts to avoid arguing and instead influence the beliefs of others directly via emotions, a neat trick but not one thats going to go un-noticed.

Propaganda techniques cannot be used without a strong media presence and social backing no one on a website holds, but could be seen as 'force.' These three latter definitions are less self contradictory to hold than the first, while proselytizing.

Religious issues, since they have a relatively small effect on people's well-being, are no longer among the issues I consider especially serious anymore. While most oppose the preachy, as many would be willing to take extreme action in the face of something as serious as the holocaust; if those breaking Godwins law believe what they say, they are cowards to not take the same action they would take against Hitler against the things they say are as bad as his regime. If a teabagger compares Obama to Hitler and does not plan to assassinate him, I will mark him down as either a liar, or too cowardly to have attempted the assassination of the Fuhrer. Like religion, the forcing of beliefs does very little actual harm, and so would be justified in the face of crimes far smaller than the holocaust; while most problems are large enough to outweigh it, forcing beliefs is an evil to be avoided if possible.

While my own views were not under consideration in the previous post, and I refrain from propagandizing and emotional pleas when possible, the American health-care and education systems Certainly take enough quality out of enough lives to legitimize such actions and more, if they would bring improvements and save lives. There must be things you believe are worth fighting or killing for, let alone 'forcing' beliefs in any of the four ways i define it or the one way your behavior defines it.

To answer why I "feel the need to evoke the holocaust," I must reiterate again that I DIDN'T. I was referring to the fact that many people DO make that exact claim, as you go onto state, from pro lifers to anti execution advocates and tea party members. If they think its that bad, then 'condescending' someone to stop it would almost certainly be valid.

Your views often seem to stem from bad experiences you've had with individuals; person X holds belief Y and wronged me in way Z, so I oppose people who hold belief Y because they remind me of X an I think they will likely wrong me in way Z, seems to be the logic behind this, it seems flawed to me.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Wii fit man » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:21 am

Psychotic_Socialist wrote:
Wii fit man wrote:
seamus yarr wrote:why are everyones posts so long when they post here?

Posts that are only one line suck.

I see what you did there.

That's cool.
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Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:29 am

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Postby Wii fit man » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:31 am

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Postby triplemultiplex » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:08 pm

jesussdad wrote:oh. your one of those are you? im not a zeitgeist supporter and that whole venus project aint my thing but that article you posted is just a string of claims with nothing to back it up. since z came out there has even been new discoverys which further back up its religious deconstruction.


Apparently, you fail to notice the list of references at the end of the article.

jesussdad wrote:as for the "other conspiracy theories" they can be proven correct with the most basic fact check.
if you don't already know it the 9/11 commission have themselves called it a cover up and nist have had to retract and amend their bullsh*t report. if you dont know where that leads youre as dumb as you sound. and before you start up , ive seen it all. and dodged the disinfo.


If any of these conspiracies were supported by anything more than logical fallacies and unverifiable anecdotes and didn't blatantly ignore numerous facts that contradict them, they wouldn't be conspiracy theories now would they? And the lack of evidence for any of these conspiracies is, of course, always part of the conspiracy.
It might be foolish of me to draw conclusions about you based on a few posts, but contrary to what you've just said, you appear to be a magnet for misinformation.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby evilcupcake72 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:43 pm

M00ndragon69 wrote:I have a question about the Texas part..A long time ago I saw this documentary called Hell House. It was basically this guy filmed this haunted house type thing this church in Texas did for Halloween. I watched it and I thought it was pretty sick and twisted. Like in the house, they had this actress who was playing a girl who I think got drugged and raped at a party, and there was this person playing a demon telling her to kill herself..I watch a lot of horror, but that idea is a lot sicker than what you see in most movies. You don't really see churches do anything like that in Washington state for Halloween. They do have some kind of "Harvest party" that seem to have nothing do with Halloween, and I just kind of laugh at that because it is lame, then kind of do what I normally do even if it isn't Halloween. Practice witchcraft, watch horror movies, and eat candy.. Well, do you see a lot of those Hell Houses around October 31rst in Texas? How hardcore are they over there about scaring people into following their beliefs?




I havent been to one but Ive heard of them around the area. But that is pretty sick. Yup thats Texas for ya.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:53 am

Well, if the stories from my own life are veiled attempts to lay guilt trips in order to gain sympathy and get people on here to see things my way...I don't think I am doing a very good job. LOL..I have the impression that most of the board does not infact agree with me. Ok, everyone, raise your hand if you agree with more than 70 percent of what I say on here. SS, from what I know about you from this board, and face book, which isn't much, as there is a lot about me that you don't know, but I can safely say I am a lot more laid back than you. I don't understand what you get out of obsessing over the actions and views of people I don't know, and about other things I can't do anything about. If you think that if fun, fine, but it isn't for me.

Evil, sounds like your town sucks, but you know what? In 5 years you will be 18, and you can leave forever. Just keep that in mind, and between now and then, and no matter what happens when you get to high school, don't make the dumb choices some girls make..Like partying too much or getting pregnant. Many girls I knew when I was your age made those choices and they are still stuck in that sh*tty town I grew up in. .Maybe also save up for college and for rent for where you will be living when you move out as soon you can get a job. You don't have to be stuck in your town forever, and five years is going to go by faster than you think.

And Psycho, those are some cute doggies you posted..LOL...
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