The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:39 am

I have seen something similar..There is this store in my area where you can go to have signs and banners made..Mostly for advertising I would guess. Well they have one of those Jesus fishes on their sign on the store. Ok, what does Jesus have to do with making banners? I guess maybe sometimes the banners are for churches or something, but probably not all the time..Are they telling everyone they want Christian customers only? If so that is stupid, you make more money by making every potential customer feel welcome. If I ever actually need a banner, I probably wouldn't buy it there.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby triplemultiplex » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:07 pm

M00ndragon69 wrote:Now as for taking "In God we Trust" off money, yeah they should take it off. And take off the Masonic symbolism too. The eye in the pyramid for instance, ever wonder why that is all over your dollar bills? I have heard a lot about Masons,both positive and negative, I am not entirely sure what I believe about their organization, but I do know that one requirement for being a Mason is you have to believe in God in some way. I know because one day last September, one of my friends who I actually practice magick with and I were hanging out, we were going to go out for pizza at this really good resteraunt, and we parked my car near the Masonic temple in that town. We were going to walk to the resteraunt, and on the way we ended up talking to this old guy who was a Mason. My friend asked him what the requirements for being a Mason were, and one of them was belief in some supreme being. So that means the masonic symbols on the dollar bills are connected to religion. This government should not show any bias for or against anyone's beliefs. That is only fair since this country is made up of people of all different beliefs, and most of us pay taxes. So that means, nothing connected to religion ( or atheism) on the money or the government buildings.


All of the symbols on our currency that are supposedly masonic were widely used in other contexts back when our currency was drawn up. The all seeing eye atop the unfinished pyramid for example. It represents God watching over the continued expansion & improvement of our democracy because the Union will never be perfect; it will never be complete. It's a symbol for the continued refinement of the Union; stuff like that.

While vaguely a religious symbol, it's not necessarily a shout out to Freemasons or Illuminati or whatever. There's a lot of pseudo-history the pervades our pop culture about this kind of stuff. Especially since the popularity of all those Dan Brown novels & movies.

This country was big on drawing inspiration from ancient Greece and Egypt during the Revolutionary period when it came to designing buildings and currency and the Great Seal and stuff. The founders had some pretty high hopes for the nation they were starting and were drawn to the greatest societies of the ancient world in hopes the United States of America would someday be mentioned in the same breathe as Greece and Rome and Egypt. I think most of their style reflects this desire.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:13 am

triplemultiplex wrote:The founders had some pretty high hopes for the nation they were starting and were drawn to the greatest societies of the ancient world in hopes the United States of America would someday be mentioned in the same breathe as Greece and Rome and Egypt. I think most of their style reflects this desire.

Well I hope they are right for the right reasons.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Niels0827 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:58 am

Well I agree...if you're going to be a successful society you must be neutral. You can embrace all sides, or you can reject all sides, but you can't favor one over the other.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:17 am

yeah, the people in charge of a society need to be neutral in the case of religion.

And I haven't actually read any of Dan Browns work or watched any of the movies based on them. I am not really interested. Maybe because they are too popular, and things that are a little too popular kind of turn me off. But, I did research a little about the Free Masons a long time before those books were popular. Like in 1997. It was around that time, I had started practicing witchcraft, started going to community college and started meeting more people who were Wiccan or Pagan. Around that time, I noticed what looked a lot like a pentagram on the sign for a Masonic temple, and I asked my friends if they knew anything about the masons.They didn't, but eventually I ran across some info about them. sh*t, I will read up on things connected to religion and the Occult for fun.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby triplemultiplex » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:58 pm

Speaking of pentagrams, that's one of the "masonic" symbols supposedly hidden by revolutionary period individuals in the street grid of Washington, DC.

Washington was designed in the vein of French cities where important buildings are connected directly by straight thoroughfares, cutting across an otherwise conventional grid of streets. At the intersections of these diagonal streets are things like parks, the White House, the Capitol Building, Union Station. Because of this design choice, there happens to be an area north of the White House where the streets form a five point star. Conspiracy theorist love to postulate that this was intentional as a shout out to the Mason-ry of our founders.

The thing is, the pentagram isn't very well formed. It's upside down, it's squashed north-south, and it's incomplete. One has to draw in several blocks of roads that are not there.

It's much more likely that this pentagram is simply an anomaly of the diagonal grid and the angles from true north that were used. The only evidence that it was intentional is the observation that it kinda looks like one. There's nothing concrete to support this claim.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:27 am

Yeah, I saw that thing on the history channel too.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Niels0827 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:35 am

I love it. A bunch of looneys actually think that there is a Luciferic connection to Washington D.C. that has nothing to do with George Bush.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby M00ndragon69 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:27 am

Actually it seems that alot of people believe Bush to be involved in The FreeMasons as well as other secret societies.

Actually, I do know some people who do feel there are some government conspiracies. I am not saying who I am talking about or what they have said to me. I will just say that they are not loonies. It does seem they actually think about the things they read. It is just that they feel screwed over by the Government ( like having a lot of trouble getting medical benefits and such), and they see things going on in this country they do not like. I think that if someone feels that way from personal experiences, and from what they observe, then those are valid reasons to question authority. This maybe an unpopular opinion on this board, but I think the people who think that everything is fine in this society, and that everyone who had unconventional beliefs or opinions is a loony, are actually the crazy ones. Or at least not observant.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Niels0827 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:32 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_home_school_evolution

I just read this article from Kentucky about the fact that the vast majority of home-school textbooks in the United States are printed by Christian organizations, which dismiss evolution and Darwin's theories in favor of the notion that Super Space Daddy created the earth and everything in it in just five seconds.

I quote the article here:

The textbook delivers a religious ultimatum to young readers and parents, warning in its "History of Life" chapter that a "Christian worldview ... is the only correct view of reality; anyone who rejects it will not only fail to reach heaven but also fail to see the world as it truly is."


That is sick. It's an indirect form of child abuse. And I know why they do this. If they can't indoctrinate children, then their religion - their way of life - will die forever. They're afraid of reality and truth, so they tell kids about heaven and hell, and incite fear into them, basically forcing these kids to believe this stuff. It's propaganda. This is radical extremism and is no different than a dangerous cult.

I'm really disgusted that this still goes on in today's world. I seriously am. While I don't believe in a creator, I think if there were to be one, he'd have merely "set the formula" for life as it exists today, including evolution and natural selection. A lot of Christians, including many I know, support this theory and accept the fact that evolution is the most sensible theory based on hypotheses, discoveries, and observations. Who's to say that in order for God to exist, he HAD to have created life as it exists today?

I apologize for ranting, and I do not aim to offend people [though I'll admit if you don't want to be offended, you shouldn't be reading in this thread], but this is twisted bullshit. And looking at the comments some people made on that page doesn't make me feel any better about people in general. People need to make their own decisions about what to believe in when they reach the proper age and not be brainwashed as a child to satisfy a church's or organization's religious or political agenda.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Mrs._Eff » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:31 pm

Niels, don't be silly, obviously everything said in a book of fairy tales written thousands of years ago trumps science, and that is what we should be teaching our children.

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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby triplemultiplex » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:34 pm

Niels0827 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_home_school_evolution

I just read this article from Kentucky about the fact that the vast majority of home-school textbooks in the United States are printed by Christian organizations, which dismiss evolution and Darwin's theories in favor of the notion that Super Space Daddy created the earth and everything in it in just five seconds.


That actually doesn't surprise me. I think most people that home school their kids are usually pretty anal about their religion. This would be particularly true in rural areas where the low population means there are no private schools. The creationists are more than happy to provide them with junk to reinforce their world view and misrepresent and obfuscate evolution. And thus, the promotion of science illiteracy continues in this country.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Niels0827 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:46 am

Don't you find it funny though, that the people mentioned in the article who are against this Christian textbook propaganda are in Kentucky and Houston? Talk about religiously-dominated localities. It sure is nice to see firsthand that not everyone from such places has taken up on that stuff.
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:08 am

Niels0827 wrote:Don't you find it funny though, that the people mentioned in the article who are against this Christian textbook propaganda are in Kentucky and Houston? Talk about religiously-dominated localities. It sure is nice to see firsthand that not everyone from such places has taken up on that stuff.

Big cities are often Liberal.

For example, Houston just elected a gay mayor. :)

And Austin, Texas is on par with San Francisco in terms of Liberalism. :o
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Re: The anti-ORGANIZED Religion Thread

Postby Niels0827 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:11 am

Big cities usually are liberal, but Houston is lightyears away from the likes of San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Miami, and Chicago.

Austin is full of atheists. I know there's an atheist organization headquartered there - American Atheists I think it is. I knew someone who lived there. But still, you'd think it'd be somewhere in the northeast or the west coast, right?

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