So, who wants to be a mod?

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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby ShaneHaughey » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:13 am

Niels0827 wrote:Well, do be sure to clarify which people are actually up for it. I know there have been some suggestions, but not everyone said they actually wanted to do it. I know I do. I have the time, I've modded an automotive forum a while back, and I did serve as an admin on a smaller, exclusive South Park forum. I spend very large amounts of time on the computer, but I don't always have much to do, so I feel this could benefit me.

Whenever I post who I think would make a good mod, I just go with my gut. As for you being an admin, I do remember that now actually.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Big-Will » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:34 am

Only nall can determine who'll be a mod, but he'll have my input. A poll would just be for your entertainment. :)

And you can only be an admin here if you're getting a salary from the Studios, which would mean you'd have to be involved in other areas of the site creating content and such. I'm not involved anywhere else but here, so I'm not getting a salary from this place.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Easts » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:05 am

the stand out candidates are obviously Bug,Angus & PT..


it seems funny to me that people i've never heard of (Jacky & Shayne) are applying..

Moondragon would be ok,but she is hardly here any more :(


they have been on here the whole time i have,and are helpful to those who need it..

we need more mods,so give all 3 a crack
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby ShaneHaughey » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:29 am

Easts wrote:the stand out candidates are obviously Bug,Angus & PT..


it seems funny to me that people i've never heard of (Jacky & Shayne) are applying..

Moondragon would be ok,but she is hardly here any more :(


they have been on here the whole time i have,and are helpful to those who need it..

we need more mods,so give all 3 a crack


I came here in 2004 and posted most heavily then. I continued posting heavily until mods started to die off and the adminstration did nothing. I then resolved to come here when new episodes are being shown as I felt as if the administration didn't care. Now that it is getting taken care of, I'm happy top be back. You may also not notice me because I never post in Games or Hot Topic, which judging by your post habits, is where you go to the most.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby kaileykorn » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:33 pm

If I could add a little personal input here...

For my mod choices, I'd go with either Shane or Niels. I've known both online for 4-5 years, and have even met them IRL about four times. They are both super amazing guys.

Shane would be an excellent candidate for a lot of reasons. Namely that he doesn't let emotions get the better of him, and it takes a lot to get him upset. Even then, he rarely acts on emotions and instead views things in a level-headed, logical manner. Back when he was an admin on South Park Universe, there were a couple instances of spam and one member in particular harrassing other members, and Shane was able to handle it quickly and efficiently. I know that once he puts his mind to something, he can really accomplish a lot. He'd be a wonderful asset to the SPS modship.

Niels, also, would have a lot of time and energy to dedicate to the site. He's older than most members and displays a great level of maturity. He, too, rarely acts impulsively, and is wonderful at problem-solving, and I will say this about him: he never gives up. I know he'd spend a good majority of his time every day, working on cleaning up the BBS and making sure the members are happy with how things are.

Additionally, I'd like to add that Shane and Niels would work great as a team, since not only are they great friends, but they have a strong level of communication, which is important for an operation to run smoothly.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Big-Will » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Well, I have my list now. Thanks to all who replied.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Wii fit man » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:00 pm

I'd like to add that what I want in a mod here is to diffuse drama without baiting everyone involved, but not be afraid to get rid of people who don't stop.
Example: Person A is friends with Person C and Person D. He doesn't know Person B. Person E is a drama whore. Person A likes to make fun of Person C and Person D for fun. He makes fun of Person B, thinking it as just a joke between friends, except Person B is having a very bad day, and she snaps at him and they have a flamewar. Person C and Person D defend Person A and evantually start flamewarring as well against Person B. Person E defends Person B, wanting the flamewar to continue. After being warned, the two parties continue.
What would you, as a mod, do in the situation? Other members are complaining and getting dragged in. You can't just leave it alone.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby ShaneHaughey » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:03 pm

Wii fit man wrote:I'd like to add that what I want in a mod here is to diffuse drama without baiting everyone involved, but not be afraid to get rid of people who don't stop.
Example: Person A is friends with Person C and Person D. He doesn't know Person B. Person E is a drama whore. Person A likes to make fun of Person C and Person D for fun. He makes fun of Person B, thinking it as just a joke between friends, except Person B is having a very bad day, and she snaps at him and they have a flamewar. Person C and Person D defend Person A and evantually start flamewarring as well against Person B. Person E defends Person B, wanting the flamewar to continue. After being warned, the two parties continue.
What would you, as a mod, do in the situation? Other members are complaining and getting dragged in. You can't just leave it alone.

It would depend on who is being most unreasonable and, more importantly, who is most virulent.

Person A- 24 hour ban- Should have apologized, joke or not, once B complained, ignored warning, and should have let it drop. Gets the initially worse punishment since, well meaning or not, started it. Depending on the severity of A's flames, ban can increase. More or less on probation for a while, walking a fine line. Further flames, regardless of where, would end up with a long-term ban.

Person B- Private warning- Leniency only given due to miscommunication between A and B. If B was especially bad during the flamewar, then depending on how long it has gone on and the brutality of it, 24 hour ban and up. More or less on probation for a while, walking a fine line. Further flames, regardless of where, would end up with a long-term ban.

Person C- Private warning- Did not start but helped to make it worse, after this private warning, multi-day bans would be in effect for ignoring repeated warnings. More or less on probation for a while, walking a fine line. Further flames, regardless of where, would end up with a long-term ban.

Person D- Private warning- Same as C. The important thing is that for both C and D, if they had been the authors of some of the more nasty flames, they would be banned. More or less on probation for a while, walking a fine line. Further flames, regardless of where, would end up with a long-term ban.

Person E- Assuming for this that the mod in question is not aware of E's motivations, Private warning- As good as it would feel to eliminate a drama whore, you can't really start banning someone based on personal feelings. Hence, a warning- if the flames were virulent, a ban would be in order. But I can't punish E more than the rest unless E's motivations were well known and established. More or less on probation for a while, walking a fine line. Further flames, regardless of where, would end up with a long-term ban.

A gets the initially worse punishment for being the instigator, ignoring warnings, and not trying to calm the situation down as the person who started it. B likely gets banned, as B has been in the flamewar the longest and has likely authored some nasty stuff. Same goes for C and D. E, while probably being the worst of the bunch personally, has not done anything *yet* to warrant a harsher punishment. So, in all likelyhood, a few people get short term bans.

The important thing is that, regardless of who gets what here, that they are followed up on. You must be able to check in with recent flamewar participators and make sure they aren't agitators- so you follow their posts and if a report is given to you of a flamewar within a reasonable time frame after the above incident and it is true, you hand down long term bans whoever was involved A-E.

Flamewars themselves are tough, not because of deciding who to punish, but how to punish. If you start banning in a reactionary style regardless of the flames, then you are a bad moderator. Banning good members who get into a fight is something to avoid as long as their conduct doesn't reach a point where it actively has a negative impact. The best course of action in a flamewar is to study the history of the flamewar, warn, note the actions and responses, then punish. Rushing into a flamewar with a hatchet will more often than not end up harming innocents and good members as often as they snag drama whores, trolls, flamers, and asshats.

But, more than any of this, a large scale and multi-faceted flamewar between five active members should involve dialogue between the mods themselves. This way, a fair and effective punishment slate can be handed down by using the knowledge the collected mods have of the people involved. I might not know that a 24 hour ban does nothing to dampen the fighting spirit of something- but Niels and PT may know, and by talking with them, a more effective punishment can be decided upon.

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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby BRMBug » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:43 pm

Oh Jesus Christ, drama gives me such extreme tired head. I generally avoid it because it makes me so crazy. If someone's being a massive dick, or extremely stupid, I might tell them publicly to behave, which is what I sometimes do anyway. I really just want to be able to take care of spammers, and move and merge threads.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Niels0827 » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:58 pm

Shane, I'd pretty much follow your lead, but like I mentioned, I can't make a rational decision based on a black and white scenario like WFM described. I'd have to take into account the user's typical behavior, posting habits, etc.

Person "B" has a bad day......what makes the day bad can affect how this person reacts to someone joking about them. While I agree that jokes are jokes and sometimes people need to lighten up, it's never a good idea in the first place to joke about somebody you don't know very well, because for all you know they're not big on humor.

Now, again, depending on what happens......say person "B" just lost a friend or loved one. I'd probably be a little bit stricter on person "A" than if person "B" merely has a slight cold or had a stressful day at work. That doesn't affect whether person 'A' is necessarily right ot wrong, but it can have an outcome on the punishment or reprimand.

I try and look at it from everyone's point of view. Because in the past, I have been guilty, like just about everyone, of making a joke at an inopportune time. Some people are just like that, and they can't really help putting little or no thought into what they say before they say it. Just a warning would suffice, but again, it depends on the situation. I can't make a decision based on a "person 'a' did this and person 'b' did this" unless it was very descriptive.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Wii fit man » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:16 am

A couple details I missed, A-D are OK members most of the time. E has a history of flamewars. Also, the insults thrown were pretty nasty, and Person B called Person A a troll, and Persons A-C called Person E a troll, and calling people trolls generally=more severe flames.

I understand what Shane says and mostly agree with it. I think that if you just come in and ban everyone for a week, it ouldn't get better, and keep in mind that drama whore E would likely complain. I think that there are lines.
1. Posting personal information in a fight
2. Attempted hacking, etc.
3. Stalking after the fight is over
4. Threats
5. Attempts to re-ignite after a ban
6. Repeated, severe flamefests after multiple warnings

I think those behaviors will warrant a ban, with the time depending on the severity. (In most cases for me, 4 would be a month or two, and 6 would be infinite if they had had enough warnings, including bans)
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Mr. Hat_DX27 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:21 am

Drama is pretty annoying, but unfortunately it happens. I've gone through my little phases where I've tried to avoid it, but it's proven to work to....well it hasn't really worked at all. XD

If I'm somehow stuck in the middle of a dispute, my preferred method has always been to try to get an equal amount of input from both sides. Obviously many different situations can happy, sometimes one party is right and the other is wrong, and sometimes both of them are wrong in one way or another. I often put a lot of variables into consideration when dealing with conflicts.

Of course, a thing I'd like to enforce is the "if it's personal between you two, keep it in the PM box, or somewhere else" rule. Won't 100% resolve stuff, and mod actions may still need to be taken, but at least other people won't have to be worried about being sucked in.
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby AngusMcTavish » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:53 am

kaileykorn wrote:If I could add a little personal input here...

For my mod choices, I'd go with either Shane or Niels. I've known both online for 4-5 years, and have even met them IRL about four times. They are both super amazing guys.

Shane would be an excellent candidate for a lot of reasons. Namely that he doesn't let emotions get the better of him, and it takes a lot to get him upset. Even then, he rarely acts on emotions and instead views things in a level-headed, logical manner. Back when he was an admin on South Park Universe, there were a couple instances of spam and one member in particular harrassing other members, and Shane was able to handle it quickly and efficiently. I know that once he puts his mind to something, he can really accomplish a lot. He'd be a wonderful asset to the SPS modship.

Niels, also, would have a lot of time and energy to dedicate to the site. He's older than most members and displays a great level of maturity. He, too, rarely acts impulsively, and is wonderful at problem-solving, and I will say this about him: he never gives up. I know he'd spend a good majority of his time every day, working on cleaning up the BBS and making sure the members are happy with how things are.

Additionally, I'd like to add that Shane and Niels would work great as a team, since not only are they great friends, but they have a strong level of communication, which is important for an operation to run smoothly.

I remember seeing you here, too, kailey! :D
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby Psychotic_Socialist » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:44 am

I don't need to be a mod. I just need to be close to a mod..... I will be friends with power. :o

(Because, I do NOT even want to mod....)
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Re: So, who wants to be a mod?

Postby kaileykorn » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:48 am

AngusMcTavish wrote:I remember seeing you here, too, kailey! :D


OH YEAH! I remember you!! I'm really glad us 2004ers are sticking around. How have you been? :)

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