Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby Azer » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:43 am

lol dude this guy isn't even answering any questions

i would like to ask how sick must a prophet be to marry a very n00b girl who's just 9?
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby Big-Will » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:39 pm

And the first evening and morning and the second evening pass and there was no reply from the OP, and the moderator thought "this Muslim must be busy. Maybe tonight there will be some replies."
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby triplemultiplex » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:54 pm

M00ndragon69 wrote :
> Triple, you really showed your bias against people who believe differently
> than yourself just now when you kind of lumped all religious people ( of
> all religions, not just Islam or the others that are kind of famous for
> being less than tolerant to certain people) into the same category as the
> extremists.

You misunderstood me. I am not attempting to characterize all religious people as potential extremists. I'm simply pointing out that extremist activities where persons cause violence in the name of their god is an inevitable side effect of the existence of religion. Because there will always be some cocktards who takes it too literally or too seriously, no matter what the religion. We just need a religion of sufficient size in order for extremism to rear it's ugly head.

It is sooo much easier to incite people to violence if you can exploit their religious beliefs. That's why leaders throughout history invoke their god as they're rallying the troops for war. This has been true from the smallest territorial pissing match between hunter-gatherers to great empires of the ancient world to ongoing wars today.

Don't misunderstand me, everyone, I'm not blaming all wars on religion. That's ignorant and factually incorrect. I'm saying religion makes starting and justifying wars easier.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby Just_Jackie » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:30 pm

I'm thinking it's also possible he may not be able to answer these questions. I'm a woman, but I can't answer all questions that are important to women. Not all women feel the same about everything. I'm pretty sure it's the same for Muslims.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby Pip Tweek » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:31 pm

I think the only really important question is: why do some Muslims think murder and destruction is justified based on someone creating or displaying an image of Muhammed?
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby Just_Jackie » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:49 pm

Pip Tweek wrote :
> I think the only really important question is: why do some Muslims think
> murder and destruction is justified based on someone creating or displaying
> an image of Muhammed?


Isn't it in the Quran (SP?) that showing an image is an offense that is punishable by death?
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby Niels0827 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:56 pm

Pip Tweek wrote:

I think the only really important question is: why do some Muslims think murder and destruction is justified based on someone creating or displaying an image of Muhammed?

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Because the Qu'ran justifies violence in dozens of passages. While not specifically mentioning those who depict the prophet, they can be just as easily interpreted for use against any non-Muslim or anyone a Muslim feels is disgraceful. Ironic, isn't it?

Case in point:

(2:191) - "And slay them [non-believers] wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

(3:151) - "Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

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Just_Jackie wrote:
Isn't it in the Quran (SP?) that showing an image is an offense that is punishable by death?
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Nope. It's all based on tradition. In fact, to my understanding, most Shi'a Muslims don't give a sh*t if you depict the prophet. It's the radical Sunnis who get pissy over it. It's become a tradition within their demonination.
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Re: Ask a Muslim

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:56 am

EgonSpangler wrote :
> What offends you more: a cartoon featuring Muhammad or a violation of the
> First Amendment? That's pretty much what it boils down to.

I'm not really offended by either.

I believe the freedom of speech should be upheld.

I believe it is poor taste for someone to draw muhammad. imho.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:57 am

beersaround wrote :
> I am an American Catholic. South Park has taken more shots at my religion
> than the muslim faith, yet i am still a fan. I can take a joke. just
> because some priests can be a little molesty, doesnt mean my religion is
> any less valid. to see an image of your prophet should be no different.
> weather or not you see an image of his face, his teachings are no less
> important. dogmatic rhetoric is so 12th century. i pray that one day rv1
> will find a mutual understanding.
>
> Free Speech...
> and Hat

I pray that your prayers are answered.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:01 am

M00ndragon69 wrote :
> Ok, I am sure you heard about the controversy with last week's episode.
> What is your opinion of what was shown on the episode, and comedy
> central's decision to censor it?
>
> And are you a guy or a girl? If you are a girl, do you cover your hair when
> you leave the house? And, well whether you are a guy or girl, what is your
> honest opinion of this rule and why?

I don't care too much about the censorship. I do believe in free of speech, so I guess I don't like the censorship. Maybe comedy central were trying to help the creators out. idk.

- My sister's opinion on covering -
She believes it is a personal choice, and she doesn't cover.

- My opinion -
Personal choice.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:05 am

Craig15 wrote :
> Can you really justify killing someone for drawing a cartoon? Really? I
> mean seriously, really?

Absolutely not. Poor taste is not an excuse for murder. Nothing is really an excuse for murder. Self defense, at times, can be, but murder is the worst that you can do.

I remember growing up and seeing things like this happen. People were so nonchalant about it, like it was nothing that we should be concerned with. It is just sad, and we should pay more attention to injustice (like murdering someone for expressing themselves). horrible.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:11 am

Easts wrote :
> Why has your religion declared war on all other religions,atheism &
> agnostics?

We haven't.

> And why is it the only one doing so?
>
> Why does your religion & it's leaders insist on being treated
> differently from everyone else?

There is only one leader of my religion, and that is God. Same for every other religion. These "fake" leaders do not speak for me or all muslims.

Sometimes things are very complicated to understand. I don't have the answer.

I am religious (always relative) and I have a hard time explaining to my atheist friends why horrible things happen in this world. People misrepresenting my religion by making outrageous statements and dispicable decisions is hard to explain. The same way that it can be hard to explain why someone of my race would do bad things. I can't explain it, but I know he doesn't represent me.

> Why does your religion (in certain countries) indoctrinate it's youth into
> outright hatred of western countries & cultures,thus breeding
> terrorism?

We, as american's, have to be careful of our foreign policy. It places a big hole in foreign countries that is easily fed with bullsh*t. There are many Islamic countries, and many muslims around the world, not just the usual ones.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:14 am

Susurring wrote :
> Hey there
>
> I think this was a nice idea talking to others, exchanging oppinions, but
> as you can see it does not work in real life.
> If a group of extremists deciedes to threaten someone for something with
> terror, this does not mean that the relligion declared war. How can you
> even come to this conclussion?
> Islam is - as most pther religions - a religion of peace (I myself am
> agnostic). The people however believing in a faith are free to do whatever
> they want and sadly this results in a lot of violence. Every religion has
> this problems. The Group of terrorists threatening Matt and Trey are
> uneducated violent people like many others. The thing I do not get is that
> CC gave in to them. This is the real horror.

Thanks!

I can't wait to see how south park responds. I can't wait to see how everyone responds (hoping for something nice).

I think comedy central was trying to make a wise decision. Sometimes when we try to make a level headed decision we often come off as weak or "giving in" when we really are just trying to make a good decision.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:19 am

zzyzx 1 wrote :
> Susurring wrote :
> > Hey there
> > The thing I do not get is that CC gave in to them. This is the real horror.
>
> Terrorists' terms should never be given in to. Ever!
>
>
> qharvard wrote :
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > I am an American Muslim and want to chit chat with anyone that has any
> > questions for a muslim.
> >
> > Thanks,
>
> As an American Muslim, how do you feel being an American where free speech is in the
> American Constitution that we all live by as Americans, yet your religion doesn't
> allow even a picture of Muhammad to be shown or even drawn? How do you reconcile
> this? Or did you just create this thread just for people to talk with no intention of
> coming back here to discuss the topic of the very thread you created?


School was owning me, I meant to come back sooner.

I don't know if (preventing) drawing a picture of Muhammad is actually a part of my religion. I think it is a tradition, but not dictated by the religion. I might be wrong. Growing up I understood it to mean that we just didnt want to mess things up by idolizing Muhammad. In my house we were taught to not idolize people because it could morph into some type of deity when really they were just men/women.

I value the freedom of speech, very much. I believe it should be protected at every turn.
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Re: Ask a Muslim (no wisecracks please)

Postby qharvard » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:21 am

Wii fit man wrote :
> qharvard wrote :
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > I am an American Muslim and want to chit chat with anyone that has any
> > questions for a muslim.
> >
> > Thanks,
> OK, why did you ask for no wisecracks? I want to make a wisecrack. You suck.

I didn't put the (NO WISECRACKS PLEASE). I think the moderator did.

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