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Postby Hezbollah » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:45 pm

These are brain dead kiddies let them believe whatever thier master Matt and Trey lead them to beleive.

Like 19 men FROM AFGHANASTAN in A CAVE with boxcutters were able to sneak unnoticed and pull off some impossible flying manuvers and crash the WTC. WOW! THAT IS THE THE BIGGEST CONSPRICY OF THEM ALL! LOL!


No wonder Americans are brain dead, and the wrold hates them they watch crappy spin propaganda from shows like south park!



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Postby Big-Will » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:58 pm

I've merged all these threads together because they are all about the same topic. I'll merge any new threads you people make about 9/11 into this one. We only need ONE thread about a topic. Thanks for reading.
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Postby Hezbollah » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:00 pm

South Park Episode Equates 9/11 Truth with Anti-Semitism, Numerology and Cartman

Cartoon jabs at 'retarded' public, misrepresents numbers, cites Bush incompetence



Aaron Dykes/ JonesReport.com | October 11, 2006

The popular cartoon South Park launched a 9/11 hit piece, claiming that the "one-fourth" of Americans who believe the attacks were an inside job are "retards." The episode equates the 9/11 truth movement with anti-semitism, a pointless and insignificant investigation into the misuse of a bathroom, numerology, and the selfish, racist, spoiled and more-or-less evil show character Cartman, who frequently attacks the character Kyle for transgressions he blames on Jews.

By the end, though, the 9/11 conspiracy that the government perpetrated 9/11 is itself a government conspiracy. In the episode, Bush and his administration want people to believe that the government is all-powerful and could achieve absolutely anything.

South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone let the scene go over-the-top on purpose to play up their view of Bush's incompetence making 9/11 theories ironically impossible, a notion which categorically dismisses valid evidence and puts stock in the weak hope that ignoring 9/11 issues will make them go away. In truth, Bush is a puppet run by globalists with intent to wreck nations.

Here's a brief summation of the distorted and simplified view that South Park portrayed about the 9/11 truth movement:

- Cartman (and subsequently the episode) refer to a poll where "one-fourth" of Americans suspect the government did 9/11. However, the Scripps-Howard poll taken in late July 2006 shows that more than one-third of Americans polled suspect the government perpetrated the September 11th attack or took no action.

Additionally, the Zogby Poll conducted in May 2006 showed that 70 million American adults support a new investigation of 9/11. South Park not only under represented the polling numbers, but labeled that population representation as "retarded."



-The show did not challenge any of the claims made by various members of the 9/11 truth movement (though they did present various elements in an mixed, but un clarified blanket theory which poorly represented serious points and research explored). It mentioned that steel couldn't be melted by the jet fuel fires, but connected it with blame for the Jews, allowing for a continuation of Cartman attacking Kyle and the Jewish faith.

The attempt to link 9/11 Truth with anti-semitism is fallacious, as most people who believe 9/11 was an inside job blame the Bush administration. Alex Jones estimates that approximately 10-15% of that group "blames the Jews." The media continually tries to link 9/11 Truth with anti-semitism without basis.

-During the segment featuring a 911truth.org researcher, the show portrays the political dissident as a crazed, paranoid person who would even possess anthrax-- 9/11 Truthers are "nut jobs" nearly equivalent with terrorists.



-But the overriding message here is a continuation of the Bush incompetence theory. South Park makes clear that 9/11 was perpetrated by "pissed off Arabs" and that only a "retard" would think the government is capable of carrying this out.

Excuse me? Nineteen people in a cave could make NORAD stand-down, fly Cessna planes and otherwise catch an elaborate and leading intelligence network off-guard, but the government could not because Bush is a moron?

Clearly, this case does not address the Norman Mineta testimony from the 9/11 Commission hearings that has an aide asking Dick Cheney if the "order still stands" as the planes approach their targets. According to testimony, Cheney tells the aide, "Of course the order still stands. Have you heard any different?"

-The episode refers to documents that civilians can't know about, but declassified documents like Operation Northwoods are available publicly and clearly show that governments at least consider creating provocations and carrying out false-flag operations.



The South Park episode shows that 9/11 Truth has grown so large that it must be acknowledged and dealt with. The episode belittles 9/11 Truth, but does give it high-profile television time. But this exposure comes at the expense of a highly-influenced audience-- some of which may be neutral to 9/11 issues-- now thinking of 9/11 Truth dismissively.

I suspect the South Park crowd has number of people who are otherwise unaware, undecided and even uncaring of 9/11 issues who are highly influenced by the rationale episodically reiterated by each show to its willingly-ignorant audience. South Park are regular distributors of condensed, semi-informed opinions on topics that are more comfortable when remote and unexplored.

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The show's creators, Matt Stone and Trey Parker, can't explain points they were willing to bring up in the episode, but not willing to study, including factoids about steel's tendency not to melt or scientifically-based theorems regarding controlled demolition in the Twin Towers. They won't bring up the Project for a New American Century or NORAD standing down automatic air defenses.

They prefer to keep things at the superficial seams-- the "fourth" of Americans who believe this stuff are "retards"; the government is "too incompetent" to have executed this plan; only a "retard" would believe that anyone other than "pissed off" Arabs carried out 9/11; 9/11 conspiracy nuts blame Jews/ blaming Jews is racist and wrong/Shut up, already, etc.

This compares with the treatment of global politics, rogue nations and partisan views on policy Stone and Parker presented in Team America: World Police, a live-action puppetry film that has American Special Forces Troops pitted against North Korea's insane and lonely dictator, Kim Jong Il.

The tongue-in-cheek film is certainly intelligent enough to consider real factors-- the pax America terms in globalism via the United States. But it dismisses the bulk of emperical sins as something like 'necessary roughness' in a vulgar but figuratively pointant summation speech about the three roles playing out in the scenario: (VIDEO | BACKUP)

We're d**ks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid d**ks. And the Film Actors Guild are p****es. And Kim Jong Il is an a**hole. P****es don't like d**ks, because p****es get f**ked by d**ks. But d**ks also f**k a**holes: a**holes that just want to s**t on everything. P****es may think they can deal with a**holes their way. But the only thing that can f**k an a**hole is a d**k, with some balls. The problem with d**ks is: they f**k too much or f**k when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a p***y to show them that. But sometimes, p****es can be so full of s**t that they become a**holes themselves... because p****es are an inch and half away from a**holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us f**k this a**hole, we're going to have our d**ks and p****es all covered in s**t!

Arguing for a sort of practical defaulting to the United States as the relative good might hold some validity (in some hypothetical situation far away from current days...), but again supports attitudes of willful ignorance, laissez faire citizen roles and a simplistic and faulty faith in the United States' being a force for progress of any kind.

However, that relativism holds no accurate validity in light of the Bush administration condoning torture, declaring Bush above the law and superceding the Constitution with bullied legislation. Does that sad version of the United States still hold as the relative moral superior?

Bush's incompetence has very little bearing on supposed failure in Iraq when the plan is to build permanent bases, stay for a decade or longer and use the divided country as a base of operations for other regional conflicts, as documents like PNAC suggest-- for instance, the planned and goaded multi-theater war ("Rebuilding America's Defenses," page iv).

South Park is a cartoon, which, of course, portrays scenarios and players in cartoonish dimensions. It's analysis of current events and culture is simplistic. It categorically reduces all elements. In this episode, we see that 9/11 Truthers are "retards," Bush & Co. try to look tough but are incompetent (Cheney's shot misses again), etc.

In truth, South Park must know that it is really asking its core audience not to consider evidence about 9/11. Instead of researching information and participating in civil discourse as an informed dissident, this viewpoint encourages a continuation of the status quo for its audience-- a broad sector of Americans who know nothing real about our nations interactions with remote nations of interest.

"Trey Parker and Matt Stone express an interest in keeping their crowd blindly supporting United States action around the world in the name of relative right. Most of this crowd would have trouble locating North Korea or Iran on a map, but are content to maintain the viewpoint that Bush is just an eccentric idiot confronting evil, cartoonish demon leaders around the world."



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Postby Hezbollah » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:15 pm

The 1/4 that are retarded are thier Sally soccer moms, and Joe six packs who let there Kids watch the Jewish spin propaganda shows like South Park.

No wonder the kids can't find Iraq on a map.

LOL!
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Postby bonnie1342 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:16 pm

Hezbollah, we will survive as a nation, and will kick any other nations ass, we will learn how to deal with radical musliums and the fact that other people in other countries hate us one they are jelous for what we have - Freedom! Is that why the Mexican Boarder is so busy, we are a crappy nation to live in? I think not, we can support our populus! Our economy is growning very strong, we are made up with many different people and are strong for it, we all need to grow up and think for ourselfs and be true to your heart, if your heart is evil just do all of us a favor and place a bullet in your head.
But if your heart is good then follow what your heart says and you will have a happy life.
To thyne ownself be true.........
I do not understand why the muslium population is not outraged by these terrorists acts, or is it in the book that all non-belivers shall be killed, how evil is that? Remeber to study up on your history, and learn from past mistakes of the human race. Reminds me of Hitler, yes he did kill over five million even if you were told differently, I have freinds that escaped Germany that have the tattoed numbers on their arms and to say otherwise is just stupid.
So what say you?
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Postby nojo » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:17 pm

Big-Will wrote:I've merged all these threads together because they are all about the same topic.

Of course you know that by putting everything in one convenient place you only further the agenda of whatever any given poster opposes.
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Postby Big-Will » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:25 pm

nojo wrote:Of course you know that by putting everything in one convenient place you only further the agenda of whatever any given poster opposes.

...what?

Anyway, all debate about one topic should take occur in one place, not all over the forum. This isn't a barroom. :)
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Postby Hezbollah » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:31 pm

Sorry Neo Cons!

Bin laden is long dead

On September 23, 2006 the French newspaper L'Est Républicain quoted a report from the French secret service (DGSE) stating that Osama bin Laden had died in Pakistan on August 23, 2006 after contracting a case of typhoid fever that paralyzed his lower limbs. According to the newspaper, Saudi security services first heard of bin Laden's death on September 4, 2006.

The death was reported by the Saudi Arabian secret service to its government, which reported it to the French secret service.

Bin laden is known CIA Agent

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians
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Postby nojo » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:31 pm

Big-Will wrote:...what?

My patented excruciatingly obscure form of irony.

In English: Good work.
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Postby Hezbollah » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:42 pm

I still don't get how you people can believe the fairy tale that 19 men from a cave from afghanastan were able to pull this off.

These same men even failed the flying lessons they were given when they came here.

These men are freaking sheep hearders, and opium farmers.

They are not that smart, or advanced LOL!
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Postby Hezbollah » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:49 pm

bonnie1342 wrote:Hezbollah, we will survive as a nation, and will kick any other nations ass, we will learn how to deal with radical musliums and the fact that other people in other countries hate us one they are jelous for what we have - Freedom!
So what say you?



Iraq is kicking Americas Ass!

Radical Muslims don't need to come here when they can do it in Iraq.

Matt and Trey, and the rest of you keep beliveing the lies, so when you get DRAFTED for the Iran War you can remember the goverment is your saviour.


The Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The actual death toll is in excess of 10,000. This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate over12,000 dead, over 25,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers, rapes, courts martial and so on -

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Postby AREK » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:01 pm

"Iraq is kicking Americas Ass!"


If by "kicking ass" you mean "they suffer 10 casualties for every 1 America suffers",

And by "America's ass", you mean "10 year old Arab kids that get blown up by Sunni car bombs",

Then yes - they are kicking ass
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Postby AREK » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:03 pm

"The Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq."


And they're getting American families to be quiet about their dead and deserted kids...how?
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Postby AREK » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:13 pm

"still don't get how you people can believe the fairy tale that 19 men from a cave from afghanastan were able to pull this off."

You've mentioned this a few times

I'd assume you're Middle Eastern with the name Hezbollah - which is why it really amazes me that you you want to emphasize you don't think other Middle Easterners are capable of flying a plane.

(For the record, the 3/4 of these guys were Saudis. No one ever claimed they were from Afghanistan-the fact you don't know this is one of a few reasons you need to do your homework here.)

Back to the point, though, if I looked for the 10 biggest anti-Middle Eastern bigots in the United States, Israel, and Europe, I don't think I'd find someone who'd argue Afghans, Arabs, etc. are incapable of flying a plane (especially when you don't need to land).

Does this apply to other areas? I.e., should Middle Easterners be barred from getting pilot licenses?
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Postby AREK » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:21 pm

Bin laden is known CIA Agent

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians


See this is the part I love-

You talk long enough with anti-American 9/11 guys and you'll eventually see they're capable of believing three things **simultaneously** -

1. Bin Laden didn't do it.

2. Bin Laden was actually acting on orders from the CIA.

3. America deserved it because of Israel, imperialism, whatever . . . . even though America wasn't attacked, it was all a hoax.

I'd think someone would be a little out of it for believing any one of these things, but it takes serious effort and cognitive dissonance to argue all three.

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