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Re: South Park is not declining, they're getting funnier.

Postby Essey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:57 pm

Duan Tian Ru wrote:sh*t- was I the only one who thought Spears blowing her head off was funny?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and refute about 100 people, lol, but in my opinion, SP has gotten better and better over the years. I think what's changed is that SP used to focus on the boy's problems, and now they use the boys as a device to critique our society. (And even then, they STILL do episodes on just children issues.) The boy's innocence allow an outside, objective look on what the adults do. Despite Stone & Parker trying to avoid this, it's happened because maybe they themselves have changed-- If I remember correctly, Parker was grossed out at the idea of little girls having Paris Hilton as a role model, so they did an episode on that... Everything evolves.

I've grown up with this show- I saw their very first episode when I was TEN (I'm 20 now) and it was the best thing to talk about in school because the cartoon totally a) pissed off our parents, and b) tackled the sh*t we weren't allowed to talk about. When I was 11, I appreciated Mr. Hankey. Now that I'm 20, Hankey is like Jar-Jar Binks and Cartman's intolerance is what it's all about for me now.

If they're doing taboo which is what they've always done, then that's shock value isn't it?
Randy *ahem* "creaming" himself was f*ing hilarious-- no other comedy show is gonna portray such a hideous image, SP has been doing this for years... Come on- a talking piece of sh*t? That's so wrong on a thousand different levels.

This whole thread reminds me of the Beastie Boys *shudders*. I became a fan with Ill Communication, then I listened to their older sh*t (sex, drugs, rebellion) and I was like, "Well that's different from Hello Nasty and Ill Communication" and NOW, their new sh*t is all about how they hate Bush and love Buddhism. Same thing happened to a band in Chile (Los Prisioneros)- they were rockers, then got famous, and decided to not only "use their power for the better", but trusted in their fans and their musical talent to cover issues that really interested them, so as a result they became political too.

I remember watching an interview with Parker & Stone and how bummed out they were when they realized it was necessary to cover Katrina-- it was totally lame. But they now have power to influence, and them getting older, interests change, style changes, humor changes.... They're like what, 38? Expecting them to stay the same is expecting Sean Connery to keep playing James Bond: it's mental. People get old, people change, so their products change. Now, if they get a group of upcoming hip new youngster writers *shameless plug*, resign from SP and go onto producing shows like kenny 'n spenny, well then they've gone Hollywood on us *wipes tear*, but if they keep at it, like THE SIMPSONS (hehe) then ya better learn to appreciate jokes like, "I'm not your buddy guy! He's not your guy friend!"

See, I've learned something today, :wink: , I don't think SP changing is such a bad thing after all, because all of us are growing up too, and our interests will change along with it. Hopefully, we'll still be with SP.

Speaking of the Simpsons, they've become tremendously focused on political and societal issues as well. And they're still on air.


I wanna give you a medal. D: Seriously.

I found the "Overlogging" part with Randy disgustingly hilarious as well. xD I think I fell off my chair.

I agree, we can't really expect Matt and Trey to do the same sh*t for so long. I mean, the show almost grew up, and I actually like that about it. The episodes, though people may complain about the 'humor', did in fact grow up and dare I say... 'mature' a bit? I mean, I couldn't agree more that the episodes with the kids are more interesting than the political ones, but the newer ones have some satirical genius in them that just makes the show all the more respectable. (Hope that made sense.)

Oh and on the Beastie Boys-gone-political note, I have two words:

Green Day.

Thanks to "American Idiot", every 12 year old who listened jumped on the "let's hate Bush without understanding sh*t about politics" bandwagon. Now every time you ask someone why they hate Bush, they'll just say he's retarded. *facepalm*

... But to get back on topic, I basically agree with your opinion and am glad I don't feel alone. xD
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby Duan Tian Ru » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:03 pm

:D Thanks Essey! Too bad I can't show interest in my school work like I do for South Park, haha.
They DID mature. I agree with you 100%.

Yeah, Green Day... along with the Dixie Chicks, and every other celebrity! I think in another interview Parker & Stone were talking about how they're FOR anything that pisses people off and makes others laugh- like playing devil's advocate just for fun, so they were talking how it's fun to "support" Bush in democrat ridden LA- it really pisses people off, and I'm all for that. I remember in my debate class, the grade was totally dependent on participation, and people would just say, "yeah, yeah I hate bush too" "yeah me too", and, well I'm not crazy about bush but I'd say, "He's a very comical president" and people would just POUNCE on me- "How can you think he's funny!? He's screwing up our country!" lol, I guess that's another thing: growing up with south park has molded my sense of humor, I'm officially evil, :twisted:
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby MikeStone » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:11 am

There episodes are not getting worse. Actually in season 10 they seemed like they were having a little trouble but now season 11 and the half of 12 have been excellent. Also for those of you who think there loosing their talent or whatever, why dont you try coming up with good show ideas for almost 12 seasons now. Lay off them, when you are on for that long yeah its going to get a little harder since you done so many ideas.
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby jewish pride » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:39 am

i think season 12 is going great
they always have one or two episodes that arent as great as the rest, but the others are awesome
my faves so far are tonsil trouble and canada on strike

for now matt and trey are doing awesomely, i fear the time trey has kids though...
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Re: South Park is not declining, they're getting funnier.

Postby CaptainCameron » Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:28 pm

Essey wrote:
Duan Tian Ru wrote:sh*t- was I the only one who thought Spears blowing her head off was funny?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and refute about 100 people, lol, but in my opinion, SP has gotten better and better over the years. I think what's changed is that SP used to focus on the boy's problems, and now they use the boys as a device to critique our society. (And even then, they STILL do episodes on just children issues.) The boy's innocence allow an outside, objective look on what the adults do. Despite Stone & Parker trying to avoid this, it's happened because maybe they themselves have changed-- If I remember correctly, Parker was grossed out at the idea of little girls having Paris Hilton as a role model, so they did an episode on that... Everything evolves.

I've grown up with this show- I saw their very first episode when I was TEN (I'm 20 now) and it was the best thing to talk about in school because the cartoon totally a) pissed off our parents, and b) tackled the sh*t we weren't allowed to talk about. When I was 11, I appreciated Mr. Hankey. Now that I'm 20, Hankey is like Jar-Jar Binks and Cartman's intolerance is what it's all about for me now.

If they're doing taboo which is what they've always done, then that's shock value isn't it?
Randy *ahem* "creaming" himself was f*ing hilarious-- no other comedy show is gonna portray such a hideous image, SP has been doing this for years... Come on- a talking piece of sh*t? That's so wrong on a thousand different levels.

This whole thread reminds me of the Beastie Boys *shudders*. I became a fan with Ill Communication, then I listened to their older sh*t (sex, drugs, rebellion) and I was like, "Well that's different from Hello Nasty and Ill Communication" and NOW, their new sh*t is all about how they hate Bush and love Buddhism. Same thing happened to a band in Chile (Los Prisioneros)- they were rockers, then got famous, and decided to not only "use their power for the better", but trusted in their fans and their musical talent to cover issues that really interested them, so as a result they became political too.

I remember watching an interview with Parker & Stone and how bummed out they were when they realized it was necessary to cover Katrina-- it was totally lame. But they now have power to influence, and them getting older, interests change, style changes, humor changes.... They're like what, 38? Expecting them to stay the same is expecting Sean Connery to keep playing James Bond: it's mental. People get old, people change, so their products change. Now, if they get a group of upcoming hip new youngster writers *shameless plug*, resign from SP and go onto producing shows like kenny 'n spenny, well then they've gone Hollywood on us *wipes tear*, but if they keep at it, like THE SIMPSONS (hehe) then ya better learn to appreciate jokes like, "I'm not your buddy guy! He's not your guy friend!"

See, I've learned something today, :wink: , I don't think SP changing is such a bad thing after all, because all of us are growing up too, and our interests will change along with it. Hopefully, we'll still be with SP.

Speaking of the Simpsons, they've become tremendously focused on political and societal issues as well. And they're still on air.


I wanna give you a medal. D: Seriously.

I found the "Overlogging" part with Randy disgustingly hilarious as well. xD I think I fell off my chair.

I agree, we can't really expect Matt and Trey to do the same sh*t for so long. I mean, the show almost grew up, and I actually like that about it. The episodes, though people may complain about the 'humor', did in fact grow up and dare I say... 'mature' a bit? I mean, I couldn't agree more that the episodes with the kids are more interesting than the political ones, but the newer ones have some satirical genius in them that just makes the show all the more respectable. (Hope that made sense.)

Oh and on the Beastie Boys-gone-political note, I have two words:

Green Day.

Thanks to "American Idiot", every 12 year old who listened jumped on the "let's hate Bush without understanding sh*t about politics" bandwagon. Now every time you ask someone why they hate Bush, they'll just say he's retarded. *facepalm*

... But to get back on topic, I basically agree with your opinion and am glad I don't feel alone. xD


Mkays, this is SH and I'm here to rekindle a good debate with two people that aren't noob flamers!:O

1- No problem if they use satire, that is actually great.
2- The show has matured- and that is one of it's strong points!
3- However, the humor has relied on shock. What if you don't find shock funny? If you don't find shock funny, then #1202 is not funny at all and #1206 big scene with Randy and spooge doesn't illicit a chuckle.
4- And that is the problem here- no one is denying that the writing for the show has gotten better. It has for sure- but at the same time, the humor has hit it's target less so.
5- That having been said, the first half of season 12 was not bad. #1202 and #1206 are offset by #1203 and #1207. I liked #1201 and #1204, and #1205 wasn't bad even if I wasn't in love with it. Either half of season eleven was better than the first half of season twelve, but the first part of seven twelve was better than the second part of season ten. (It started off quite well, but floundered quickly.)
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby lostluver777 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:04 pm

ok, I think sure, there have been some "ok" episodes, I didn't hate any ones though. But I don't think it's just this season (and no, I'm not saying other seasons sucked or anything, I'm just saying that if you look at the show in a whole, instead of seasons, there will be some not too great episodes, but thats true with EVERY show, but I don't think an ocasional medioker episode focuses in one particular time zone) So what I mean is that season 12 is fine, I like it, and the internet ep is great, and it's true, I'd probly freak like Randy did if I lost my internet (not that I'm into porn or anything, I just realy rely on my internet...)!!! And I don't think any one hated major boobage. Super fun time was funny and I think "Eeek a Penis" was kinda needed, it brought Mr. Garison back and I bet Matt and Trey did that on purpose (cus Ms. Garrison hasn't been doing to well on the forums...) and some people said it's getting to random (like the mouse and the d*ck singing) but (unlike family guy...not that I'm dissing it or anything, just saying...) it doesn't NEED the random ness, it's just added for extra. And you guys shouldn't be so hard on them, 12 seasons is pretty long, I have never seen a show where all the episodes are GREAT (and SP is one of the closest, I've never "not liked" an episode). So to tie it up, the show is not declining, there's just been some random bad episodes (which I honestly don't think are bad, I seriously like this season so far) which has happened before (and remember, I'm not dissing SP at all and I'm not saying old eps suck or anything, no eps do in my opinion)
ps: Simpsons has gotten much better over the years. The old episodes were funny, yet simple, the new ones have more of a plot, and "more jokes per minute" the older ones had dry spells
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Re: South Park is not declining, they're getting funnier.

Postby JohnTheFisherman » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:18 am

Essey wrote:
Thanks to "American Idiot", every 12 year old who listened jumped on the "let's hate Bush without understanding sh*t about politics" bandwagon. Now every time you ask someone why they hate Bush, they'll just say he's retarded. *facepalm*



The day "American Idiot" came out, I knew we were entering into a world of pain. It turned out exactly as you said, and it really gets harder and harder to stay interested in a band that exhibits a drastic style change such as Green Day has lately. Thank god Pinhead Gunpowder exists.

As far as season 12 goes: It's not the greatest, but it's far from the shark-jumping point of the series. "Tonsil Trouble" is evident proof that life still exists. Cartman has always joked about Kyle having AIDS, and after years of wondering, we finally see the entertaining consequences. I agree that every great show has it's ups and downs, but I'm not ready to give up on it yet. When you've watched a show for this long, it's just fitting to see it through to the very end. Hopefully, "the end" isn't that close.
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby pdfsmail » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:48 am

As someone else noted previously:

I happen to like most of the new episodes. If you don't like the new episodes then post your fancy ardtard ideas for new ones on the New Episodes thread or on the Fanfic, lets see what wonderful, better, ideas you can come up with and see how rave the reviews are from the forum. I know its not easy.

I don't care how hard someone tries, there will be people that don't like the episode (s), i am not one to make a big deal about it and hey it's better than nothing. We have to remember there are tons of issues and subjects that have already been spoofed / mocked etc.. from Michael Jackson to Britney Spears - Colorado State hippies to the New York City Schools - Lord of the Rings to the Simpsons and The Day after Tomorrow - they have even spoofed themselves in one of the Christmas episodes!

Get a grip people. If you don't like it then prove it needs work! Show everyone how your ideas will make it better. :chaos: :cartmanangry:
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby Signevad » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:35 am

MikeStone wrote:There episodes are not getting worse. Actually in season 10 they seemed like they were having a little trouble but now season 11 and the half of 12 have been excellent. Also for those of you who think there loosing their talent or whatever, why dont you try coming up with good show ideas for almost 12 seasons now. Lay off them, when you are on for that long yeah its going to get a little harder since you done so many ideas.
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Totally Agree. When I watched the episode " Stanley's Cup" I thought it sucked ass, and I still do. It sucks. I've never felt that feeling about SP before. Only South Park-ish about the episode is " Stan March is a blablabla, and he's about to find out.." You know, the exact same thing with Rob Schneider( hilarious xD)

Tonsil and Britney weren't that great either, but they were Okey. And then Major Boobage came and lifted all up. Man I love that episode. Heavy metal (8) ! To make the list short, South Park is still the best :o
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby LawrenceTaylor » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:42 am

SP has just gotten too smart for its fans it seems... for those who hate it. Thats what I think at least.

And its not a problem of losing talent or anything. That das not make syense!

Its a spontaneous show. Its pretty circumstantial how it does sometimes. Its still charming and its still the only show I feel actually makes a difference in the f*ckin world. So there.

They're too smart to f*ck up. I'm sure. I just saw them at SP live, they're as brilliant as ever.
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Postby KAMfan » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:33 am

All I can say about Season 12 is that Major Boobage kicks ass!
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby CaptainCameron » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:39 am

pdfsmail wrote:As someone else noted previously:

I happen to like most of the new episodes. If you don't like the new episodes then post your fancy ardtard ideas for new ones on the New Episodes thread or on the Fanfic, lets see what wonderful, better, ideas you can come up with and see how rave the reviews are from the forum. I know its not easy.

I don't care how hard someone tries, there will be people that don't like the episode (s), i am not one to make a big deal about it and hey it's better than nothing. We have to remember there are tons of issues and subjects that have already been spoofed / mocked etc.. from Michael Jackson to Britney Spears - Colorado State hippies to the New York City Schools - Lord of the Rings to the Simpsons and The Day after Tomorrow - they have even spoofed themselves in one of the Christmas episodes!

Get a grip people. If you don't like it then prove it needs work! Show everyone how your ideas will make it better. :chaos: :cartmanangry:


Do me a favor- name a high-profile and acclaimed show of the past fifteen years or so that you don't like. Mkays, after that, apply your argument to that and see how it feels. Or are their games you don't like? Movies? Books? Basically, the problem with your argument that I have bolded is that it more or less says that people can't criticize anything...ever.

Of course, I sincerely doubt that the people who have posted recently looked at the first half of the topic, so let us refresh:
When this topic was made, it was during the weaker parts of the season- I don't believe Major Boobage was out yet.

Season 11 was awesome, but had flaws. Season 10 was pretty good, had flaws. Season 12 has not been as good as 10 but is still doing well, it has flaws. If #1202 was not as terrible as it was, the first half of the season would have been quite good. If #1109 had not been bad, then Season 11 would be in my top two or three seasons. If #1005 had not blown chunks, that season would have golden gold.
So, while I never agreed with the OP on the season sucking, I do find it funny how some people either use weak arguments(Like the one I bolded here.) or claim that the show is just too intelligent for those who complain, as LawrenceTaylor has. Neither one of you are right or have much of a leg to stand on in terms of those arguments.
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Postby superiorsavior » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:57 pm

WHERE DID ALL THE ORIGINAL SONGS GO? They just steal of Steven spielburg cartoons and youtube vids now :(

They gave the fans what they wanted

I'm one of the only people who thinks this is cheapening the show... some episodes (like the List) appear to be desperate pleas to the fans, it seems like fanfic at times. They shouldn't be swayed by the fans, too much at least.

was I the only one who thought Spears blowing her head off was funny?

No, this sick bastard joins you in bloddlust. I thought it was great and unexpected and the best thing about the epsode... the headless britney was a bit more like an adult swiom cartoon than south park though.

I think what's changed is that SP used to focus on the boy's problems, and now they use the boys as a device to critique our society

The thing is, the show used to critique society THROUGH the boy's problems, it was a metaphore for society most of the time... now they've lost their petry and just shout their oppinion in your face, there's less ambiguity and genius, and it looses the timless surface people can get in episodes like gnombs without knowing what was going on witht he economy at the time.

Now that I'm 20, Hankey is like Jar-Jar Binks and Cartman's intolerance is what it's all about for me now

Hankey is almost as much of a Jar-Jar as Towlie, glad someone else hates him (chef's salty balls was sh*t in a bad way :p) but i think the main reason you've changed your oppinion on the show is that you've grown with it, and see more intelligence in the new episodes because you could appriciate it more as an adult first time. I saw messages in SP early seasons first time i saw them, not sure if i was overanalysing but after hearing the episode comentries, maybee i'm not.

If they're doing taboo which is what they've always done, then that's shock value isn't it?

There's shock value and there's gross out humour... gross out doesn't shock anyone anymore thanks to thr likes of scary movie... south park is becoming the new Epic Movie, sometimes, it 's worst moment being the Bono episode (i hate bono but a whole episode on him, damn) buit it's sure to get worse. Breaking social, political and religious taboos is NOT the same as having a middle aged man jack off to brazilain fart p0rn.

they get a group of upcoming hip new youngster writers *shameless plug*, resign from SP and go onto producing shows like kenny 'n spenny, well then they've gone Hollywood on us

They seem to be giving more and more power to lower down writers, a few episodes (the List, etc.) seem to have been diected by other staffers even.

Speaking of the Simpsons, they've become tremendously focused on political and societal issues as well. And they're still on air.

Still on air in a hollow zombie state. Do we really want south park to live on life support, we should rather it die a natural death than live on as a zombie abomination for ever :p Seriously though, quality and staying on air are NOT the same thing.

the newer ones have some satirical genius in them that just makes the show all the more respectable

The thing is, the old ones were satire too, but it was SUBTLE unlike most american 'comedy.' It's turning into the avarage loudmouthed crap we're used to seeing on imported TV, it's nowhere nearly there yet but they don't hide their message in the same way they used to.

pdfsmail wrote:We have to remember there are tons of issues and subjects that have already been spoofed / mocked etc.. from Michael Jackson to Britney Spears

And these are all the worst episodes... except when the 'parrody' isn't the main component and it's more about the kids being kids (as in the LOTR episode which was more about kids first expierience with teh p0rn and the innocent way they play, and the christmass special where they parrodied themselves which was more about the kids being themselves and was self depriciation which gets geek points).

signevad wrote: the exact same thing with Rob Schneider
Re-using jokes has always occured, and added charactar and a bit of geek humour to the show, but it's getting to be that all the humour comes from older episodes now, nothing seems new, that's worth it anyway.

lawrence wrote:SP has just gotten too smart for its fans
It doesn't matter if it's got a good message beneath it or not, this isn't a political oppinion show, it's a commedy, and what counts is weather it's funny. The show has been leaking comedy because it's becoming less intelligent; in the past it could deal with big issues without leaving the town, now it has to involve global conspiricies (Spears) and crisis (Aids, net breaking, etc.) in everything and spends whole episodes rippping celebrities to pieces with no message beneath that at all (crap episode). Even if the show was more intelligent it wouldn't make it a better comedy, or even as good a comedy as it once was, and the show hasn't been getting more intelligent.

lawrence wrote: Its pretty circumstantial how it does sometimes.

I think you're mentioning the lack of timless quality these news shows have, which is one of the key ways the show's been going downhill. In the past it dealt with contempory issues but generally used them as an allagory for bigger, timless issues, and made sure everything took place inside the town (Gnombs is a great example of this which takes on the market, Super Best Friends took on scientology and Blain but the wider issue of cults and miraicles and religious pluralism as well) and sometimes just did, well, funny episodes (clubhouses, cow days, city on the edge of forever, etc.) which hardly ever seems to happen anymore. Parrodies of other shows or of celebrities are NOT a good way to keep it timless or even relevent to everyonewatching today if they're not into MTV.

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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby pdfsmail » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:38 pm

CaptainCameron wrote:
pdfsmail wrote:As someone else noted previously:

I happen to like most of the new episodes. If you don't like the new episodes then post your fancy ardtard ideas for new ones on the New Episodes thread or on the Fanfic, lets see what wonderful, better, ideas you can come up with and see how rave the reviews are from the forum. I know its not easy.

I don't care how hard someone tries, there will be people that don't like the episode (s), i am not one to make a big deal about it and hey it's better than nothing. We have to remember there are tons of issues and subjects that have already been spoofed / mocked etc.. from Michael Jackson to Britney Spears - Colorado State hippies to the New York City Schools - Lord of the Rings to the Simpsons and The Day after Tomorrow - they have even spoofed themselves in one of the Christmas episodes!

Get a grip people. If you don't like it then prove it needs work! Show everyone how your ideas will make it better. :chaos: :cartmanangry:


Do me a favor- name a high-profile and acclaimed show of the past fifteen years or so that you don't like. Mkays, after that, apply your argument to that and see how it feels. Or are their games you don't like? Movies? Books? Basically, the problem with your argument that I have bolded is that it more or less says that people can't criticize anything...ever.

Of course, I sincerely doubt that the people who have posted recently looked at the first half of the topic, so let us refresh:
When this topic was made, it was during the weaker parts of the season- I don't believe Major Boobage was out yet.

Season 11 was awesome, but had flaws. Season 10 was pretty good, had flaws. Season 12 has not been as good as 10 but is still doing well, it has flaws. If #1202 was not as terrible as it was, the first half of the season would have been quite good. If #1109 had not been bad, then Season 11 would be in my top two or three seasons. If #1005 had not blown chunks, that season would have golden gold.
So, while I never agreed with the OP on the season sucking, I do find it funny how some people either use weak arguments(Like the one I bolded here.) or claim that the show is just too intelligent for those who complain, as LawrenceTaylor has. Neither one of you are right or have much of a leg to stand on in terms of those arguments.



Well look at it this way ardtard... why are you on the southparkstudios.com website if all you are going to do is knock on it....? Go visit the simpsons if you dont like it... And i notice you didnt come up with any better ideas as i suggested now did you...

Constructive criticism is good... how can we improve? Provided you think it needs improving, but when you just come in and knock on the show without any good ideas based on your random thoughts then I just see you as a South Park hater...

Sorry but i come to this forum to input my constructive criticism and chat about the show... So, if we are having issues with the newer seasons then what can we suggest to fix it? Something had to go right for imaginationland to get nominated for an emmy
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Re: south park on the decline? [new seasons SUCK DICK!]

Postby CaptainCameron » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:08 pm

pdfsmail wrote:
CaptainCameron wrote:
pdfsmail wrote:As someone else noted previously:

I happen to like most of the new episodes. If you don't like the new episodes then post your fancy ardtard ideas for new ones on the New Episodes thread or on the Fanfic, lets see what wonderful, better, ideas you can come up with and see how rave the reviews are from the forum. I know its not easy.

I don't care how hard someone tries, there will be people that don't like the episode (s), i am not one to make a big deal about it and hey it's better than nothing. We have to remember there are tons of issues and subjects that have already been spoofed / mocked etc.. from Michael Jackson to Britney Spears - Colorado State hippies to the New York City Schools - Lord of the Rings to the Simpsons and The Day after Tomorrow - they have even spoofed themselves in one of the Christmas episodes!

Get a grip people. If you don't like it then prove it needs work! Show everyone how your ideas will make it better. :chaos: :cartmanangry:


Do me a favor- name a high-profile and acclaimed show of the past fifteen years or so that you don't like. Mkays, after that, apply your argument to that and see how it feels. Or are their games you don't like? Movies? Books? Basically, the problem with your argument that I have bolded is that it more or less says that people can't criticize anything...ever.

Of course, I sincerely doubt that the people who have posted recently looked at the first half of the topic, so let us refresh:
When this topic was made, it was during the weaker parts of the season- I don't believe Major Boobage was out yet.

Season 11 was awesome, but had flaws. Season 10 was pretty good, had flaws. Season 12 has not been as good as 10 but is still doing well, it has flaws. If #1202 was not as terrible as it was, the first half of the season would have been quite good. If #1109 had not been bad, then Season 11 would be in my top two or three seasons. If #1005 had not blown chunks, that season would have golden gold.
So, while I never agreed with the OP on the season sucking, I do find it funny how some people either use weak arguments(Like the one I bolded here.) or claim that the show is just too intelligent for those who complain, as LawrenceTaylor has. Neither one of you are right or have much of a leg to stand on in terms of those arguments.



Well look at it this way ardtard... why are you on the southparkstudios.com website if all you are going to do is knock on it....? Go visit the simpsons if you dont like it... And i notice you didnt come up with any better ideas as i suggested now did you...

Constructive criticism is good... how can we improve? Provided you think it needs improving, but when you just come in and knock on the show without any good ideas based on your random thoughts then I just see you as a South Park hater...

Sorry but i come to this forum to input my constructive criticism and chat about the show... So, if we are having issues with the newer seasons then what can we suggest to fix it? Something had to go right for imaginationland to get nominated for an emmy

First off, stop saying ardtard. It's R-tard.
Secondly, check my other account, one that superior savior can tell you about. I've spent nearly 10,000 posts here, about the last 2,000 giving ideas on how to improve the show.
Third, I probably care about the show more than you and I probably like the creators of the show more than you- hence why I am honest, because episodes like #1105, #1107, #1110-#1114, #1203, and #1207 are awesome. (Giving very recent examples of my favorite episodes.)
Fourth, name where I knocked Imaginationland. I didn't, did I? Oh, that's right, I pointed out #1005, #1109, and #1202 as bad episides. The Imaginationland trilogy was #1110-#1112. Try again.

But I'll post my problems with #1202(again!), then I want you to answer a question: is there any high profile show, movie, game, or book you dislike?
#1202:
#1202 was terrible. Why? First off, shock humor only works if it can walk that fine line between being shocking and being gross. Britney Spears blowing he rhead off was shocking- not funny, not bad. Britney Spears walking around without the head and somehow living was gross and, most of all, really stupid. The VMA scene, even if she had her head on, would have been stupid. Why? Because the VMA itself, with the camera angles chosen and emphasis on sexuality instead of talent, is stupid already and the show wasn't parodying the VMAs, it just did it. Without her head, it became possibly the worst scene of the show in it's history. The point of the episode, while I agreed with it, was heavy handed and the fact that Stan and Kyle went along with it at the end seemed very OOC.

The plotline itself wasn't very good- why go to South park, Colorado to get away from it all? Why didn't she move to some other part of the world where people wouldn't care? After that, how does one even survive having the vast majority of your head blown off? You don't. Why is every adult, every last one, part of the plot? It really takes away from the show when you understand that for the parents being portrayed as stupid as they are that they are also part of a massive conspiracy.

So, you want improvements? First off, Spears should have died earlier on and saved us from the VMAs and watching her run around headless. The plot could have focused on Stan and Kyle, feeling responsible for her death while at the same time wondering why no one would ever leave her alone, going on an adventure to figure it out. Just by virtue of not having to deal with headless Spears and the VMA scene, the show would have been much better and since Trey Parker would have not been able to rely on gross out humor he would have probably written in more comedy. And since you aren't tied to a headless Spears and the boys trying to whisk her away, you are able to go to and stay in Hollywood for much of the episode while the boys try to find out why and how this happened. That would have still left the door open for the conspiracy, it would have had much room for humor, and it wouldn't have relied on pure gross out.

Gross out humor is the lowest form of humor. As a slight pure funny moment in a story or between kids it's fine, but as the central joke in an episode it fails terribly. Trey Parker is a superior writer- he can do better and certainly did do better as the season progressed.

I think of myself as a South Park Devotee- this means it is my duty to also say what I really think of the show and it's characters. If there is something I don't like, I'll say it. In the commentary for Free Hat, Trey Park and Matt Stone talk about the reason the Star Wars prequels sucked was because Lucas didn't have anybody that had the balls to say, "No, the script sucks." and they said you need someone like that.

Even if they never read my comments and even if I'm a nobody drowning in the sea of the internet, I remember those words very clearly when I post. I will be honest with what I feel- and I'll be louder when I think they're doing poorly because they can do so much better.

So next time you sit there and try to call me a f*cking hater, ask yourself whether a hater would walk seven miles to a friend's house to watch an episode from the third season of the show when he was ten.
Ask yourself if a hater would quit a job because it conflicted with watching the show.
Ask yourself if a hater would make it a requirement of moving into an apartment with someone is them liking South Park because that is what you mostly talk about.
Ask yourself if a hater would have gotten into fights in school and therefore suspended because a kid kept on harassing him about the show.
Ask yourself if a hater would have been grounded for weeks and weeks as a kid because he constantly snuck out of the house to sneak into a friend's house so he could watch the show.
Ask yourself if a hater would have spent a night at a bus terminal in f*cking Idaho instead of boarding a bus so he could watch a rerun.
Ask yourself if a hater would spend hours in a row talking with his mom to get her to watch the show, and then working at making her a fan.
Ask yourself if a hater would spend his lunch hours in 2005 not eating at school, but reading scripts off of Big-Will's website because he didn't have cable.
Ask yourself if a hater would really have responded to you.
Ask yourself if a hater woukd post nearly 10,000 times on the official forum.
Ask yourself if a hater would be one of the few people in his group of friends who still thinks South Park is better than The Office and would defend it for hours at a time.

Don't you dare call me a hater again. You want to debate the merits of #1202? That's fine. You want to resort to calling me a hater? Not fine. I'll PM you my other account name.

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