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South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Andy K » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:19 am

South Park is probably my favorite show. It's intelligent, anti-establishment and hilarious. Matt Stone laughs in the face of censors and fights hard for the First Amendment. OTOH, Big Will is so quick to ban and stop threads which he thinks don't fit the rules he works so hard to enforce. He's about as anti-free speech as they come, in the name of forcing conformity to rules that keep people from speaking their minds. Does this contradict Matt's message or is it just an attempt to keep things "on topic"?

I believe in free speech on the internet, do you?

Discuss.

(Go ahead and ban me, delete this thread or whatever. I don't care.)
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Pip Tweek » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:27 am

What could you possibly hope to accomplish by starting a thread like this? I mean, dude, the board is what it is. BW has a responsibility to maintain certain standards. I've never seen an intelligently expressed idea here that was suppressed in any way.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:45 am

Andy K wrote:OTOH, Big Will is so quick to ban

i've been in this forum for a couple of months now and even though big will seems like a good guy, i agree with this statement

this isnt the first forum i've been to so i know pretty well how things work, and i am of the opinion that will seems to ban people for making threads in the wrong place or that have been already made before a bit too much

while i can understand the annoyance of having to deal with that kind of stuff, i dont believe in the punishing of dumbness and ignorance, i believe that a moderator (or whatever big will is) should excersise patience and show the right way rather than ban instantly, cause probably many noobs who come here its their very first time in a thread ever and they arent geeks like most of us therefore they take some time figuring things out

it should also be understood that some people who come here dont have english as their first language (like say meee!) and have a bit more of trouble than the rest (before you suggest going to a forum where they speak my first language they mostly suck ass and dont last long), so yeah, it comes back to excersising patience, i know its hard dude but banning just like that for something so small is kinda douchie

so there, not trying to be a bitch, just sharing my opinions heh
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Aids Burger » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:21 am

When I first joined this site I was banned within 24 hours. Why? Because I posted one comment, a question asking "how can a show as cool as South Park have so many whiney, bitchy fans?" The next day I tried to log on and got a message saying I was banned for 24 hours due to a "flame".

I was confused and offended at first, but then I realized it wasn't Wills fault, he has to deal with rotten 13 year olds and flamers all day long, he doesn't know me and was only trying to keep order on the site. And the more I look at Will, the more I understand him and the more I like him.

But I will say this in all fairness, I have been flame broiled recently by some angry folks on this site, people who have said much worse than I did when I got banned, yet they continue to post away.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Michaeloptv » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:22 am

He could give people time to explain themselves a bit more...but in the end, the people that he ban are usually real jurks and not for just something stupid just randomally blurted out. :shock:

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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Big-Will » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:25 am

Just remember that I can ban for as little as 30 minutes while other sites usually ban you for good.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:19 am

Big-Will wrote:Just remember that I can ban for as little as 30 minutes while other sites usually ban you for good.

the ones who ban you for good for stupidities are real douches and yeah, i've seen retarded moderators out there and ur not one of them

just trying to do constructive critisism here since it kind of scares noobs away, people will always be dumb and noobs at first, you cant help that

and i dont really get the 30 minutes thing that you said, how does that work?
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Big-Will » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:33 am

jewish pride wrote:
Big-Will wrote:Just remember that I can ban for as little as 30 minutes while other sites usually ban you for good.

the ones who ban you for good for stupidities are real douches and yeah, i've seen retarded moderators out there and ur not one of them

just trying to do constructive critisism here since it kind of scares noobs away, people will always be dumb and noobs at first, you cant help that

and i dont really get the 30 minutes thing that you said, how does that work?

I could ban you at the time of this post and you couldn't come back for 30 minutes, then all of a sudden you can post again. :)

But I rarely use that because a lot of people won't even know they were banned for that short a time.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:59 am

lol banning for 30 minutes? thats kind of like a slap in the wrist huh? :P

well i pretty much made my point in here, in a non douchie way unlike the creator of this thread i hope
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby M00ndragon69 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:44 am

Banning someone for 30 minutes is a joke. They can't post on here for a whole half hour, I guess they will just have to go look at porn until their "punishment" is over. LOL..Come on, that isn't even a slap on the wrist.


I have been posting on this board with Will since 2003. That is five years. We have never really gotten along, probably because we both are very opinionated and disagree on some major points. Sometimes I do think he locks some threads for good reason..But sometimes, there are threads he locks that I wanted to comment on. I think he needs to remember that just because he doesn't think something is worth talking about, it doesn't mean other people don't want to talk about it, and he needs to remember that his opinion isn't the only one on this board that matters.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Big-Will » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:56 am

I've reopened threads on request before.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby superiorsavior » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:04 pm

He might be a harsh ruler, but that's the kind of man you need to keep the peace in the flamewar-waiting-to-happen that is the internets. That said, I have to agree that Will's modding style is marred by some un-nescicary flaws; he bans n00bs far more quickly and for far smaller offences than long time posters which must scare people off: he (seems to) let people he agrees with get away with some flaming he wouldn't allow from people he disagrees with: and is less impartial on debates than a mod should really be. Like I said, the site's doing well and he must be partly responable for that, most people would have his flaws, though I think having multiple moderators would ballence out most of these problems.
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby jewish pride » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:12 pm

superiorsavior wrote:Like I said, the site's doing well and he must be partly responable for that, most people would have his flaws, though I think having multiple moderators would ballence out most of these problems.

thats a good point, are there any other moderators in this site? if there are i have yet to see them and i've been here for a couple of months now, these forums are way too big for one moderator to handle alone
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby Michaeloptv » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:15 pm

These sites usually or are supposed to have appointed assistants. I haven't really seen or heard from them too much though. :(

Big-Will does need help though at times. It is such a hard job keeping these sites clean.

Then again, Keeping him in check too is another task that has to be looked into as well. We know you love to party a little. :lol: :wink:

But he does have Nall for advice as well. :)
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Re: South Park, Censorship and Big Will

Postby superiorsavior » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:50 am

I don't really know what happened, but there used to be four mods, coffeeguy9, Big-Will, airmancoop44 and No_substitute_for_you, the others sort of dissapeared one by one leaving only Will. I think he's kindof Nall's assistant though, not the other way round.
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