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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Ex1lepr0 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:47 pm

Maybe...I'll try it!
Can't we all just get along?
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Unassumption » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:05 am

Sometimes A causes or necessitates B only when C is true; if it's not too costly to do so, we should discriminate between A occurring in the presence of C and A occurring without C. A could be being drunk, B could be drink driving, and C could be driving. Alternatively, A could be any other drug, B a danger of drugs, and C the factors that have to be true for that danger to express itself.

Slippery slopes can be logical if there's evidence for them, but it's often another case of A causing B only under some circumstances, only with B leading to D (only when some other things are true) and D leading to the bad thing we object to, but people act as though A always causes D. Porn and rape represent a slippery slope with a hell of a lot of intermediates in between IMO

Even if A always causes B we shouldn't act like they're identical. If A is bad and B is good we might be able to get B without going through A, or vice versa.

Just some thoughts ._.
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Ex1lepr0 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:08 am

^^What prompted you to post this?
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Unassumption » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:23 am

The fact no one was talking about anything on here ._.
Same motivation as the below rant about steven king.

I'm not a big fan of steven king but my dad loves his bible sized tomes. I tried reading it and he's good at describing what he's writing about in a way that really draws you in but the things he's writing about (from movies like IT, The Langaleers and The Shining) are anticlimactic stereotypy filled BS. If he had a better editor he could be great - aside from the steryotype bullies stand by me was awesome, but then I heard there were supernatural elements (a curse on the boys who saw the body) in the novella that were removed and the bullies were toned down too. If he was writing friendships esp between kids he'd be awsome but why he has to make everything into a ghost story? Trying to put too much in there. Also Stanley Kurbick seems the film making equivelent - he can depict a pretty bland story in a great style as with the shining a movie i really enjoyed but didn't really mean much if you look beyond the visuals.
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby iloveyouguys » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:19 am

Unassumption wrote:Sometimes A causes or necessitates B only when C is true; if it's not too costly to do so, we should discriminate between A occurring in the presence of C and A occurring without C. A could be being drunk, B could be drink driving, and C could be driving. Alternatively, A could be any other drug, B a danger of drugs, and C the factors that have to be true for that danger to express itself.

Slippery slopes can be logical if there's evidence for them, but it's often another case of A causing B only under some circumstances, only with B leading to D (only when some other things are true) and D leading to the bad thing we object to, but people act as though A always causes D. Porn and rape represent a slippery slope with a hell of a lot of intermediates in between IMO

Even if A always causes B we shouldn't act like they're identical. If A is bad and B is good we might be able to get B without going through A, or vice versa.

Just some thoughts ._.

That's all very interesting. Also, you can never control everything in an experiment so it's hard to judge whether something is causation or just correlation. Cause and effect are weird.
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Wii fit man » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:45 am

iloveyouguys wrote:
Unassumption wrote:Sometimes A causes or necessitates B only when C is true; if it's not too costly to do so, we should discriminate between A occurring in the presence of C and A occurring without C. A could be being drunk, B could be drink driving, and C could be driving. Alternatively, A could be any other drug, B a danger of drugs, and C the factors that have to be true for that danger to express itself.

Slippery slopes can be logical if there's evidence for them, but it's often another case of A causing B only under some circumstances, only with B leading to D (only when some other things are true) and D leading to the bad thing we object to, but people act as though A always causes D. Porn and rape represent a slippery slope with a hell of a lot of intermediates in between IMO

Even if A always causes B we shouldn't act like they're identical. If A is bad and B is good we might be able to get B without going through A, or vice versa.

Just some thoughts ._.

That's all very interesting. Also, you can never control everything in an experiment so it's hard to judge whether something is causation or just correlation. Cause and effect are weird.

I read that as "Caucasian"

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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Unassumption » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:19 pm

We can never know any inferred conclusion 100%
Since any statement about the future (from the sun will rise tomorrow to the predictions given by the laws of physics) any statement about the past (from 'the battle of Hastings happened in 1066' to assuming the laws of physics applied in the past) and any statement whatsoever (given we must assume our perception, including those justifying logic and maths, correlates with external reality) is inferential, we can know nothing to 100% certainty. But we don't have to, all we need is probability, what is the most likely explanation for our perceptions. ALL cause is inferred from correlation but that correlation is all we have for anything.

As the majority of posters online, of south park viewers, and of people in the countries posters claim and are likely to be from are white, It's a valid conclusion (until other evidence is presented) that a given poster is Caucasian. New evidence makes our conclusions more likely to be valid; if someone told me they were not Caucasian on this site I'd have to modify the probability that some random poster is Caucasian or not.

I never got why they call whites Caucasian - people there are pretty dark skinned after all. For some levels of explanation or detail talking about all whites as one race is valid (or all humans as one for that matter) but I think splitting us into social and genetic sub-groups is more likely to match reality a lot of the time. I'd like to see the social stuff wiped out at all levels, people feel forced to partake in BS traditions that aren't healthy or what they'd choose a lot of the time, because they're born in a group. I'd like the real differences (in gender and orientation as well as race) to be examined as fully as they exist, while we try getting rid of the social stuff. Unfortunately people seem to either want to get rid of the catagories altogether, or support the whole shebang :(
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby BRMBug » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:44 pm

Last night... technically this afternoon, I dreamt that I bought a porn mag and the whole front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. Which if you think of it is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody buys porn anymore.
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby iloveyouguys » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:32 am

Wii fit man wrote:
iloveyouguys wrote:
Unassumption wrote:Sometimes A causes or necessitates B only when C is true; if it's not too costly to do so, we should discriminate between A occurring in the presence of C and A occurring without C. A could be being drunk, B could be drink driving, and C could be driving. Alternatively, A could be any other drug, B a danger of drugs, and C the factors that have to be true for that danger to express itself.

Slippery slopes can be logical if there's evidence for them, but it's often another case of A causing B only under some circumstances, only with B leading to D (only when some other things are true) and D leading to the bad thing we object to, but people act as though A always causes D. Porn and rape represent a slippery slope with a hell of a lot of intermediates in between IMO

Even if A always causes B we shouldn't act like they're identical. If A is bad and B is good we might be able to get B without going through A, or vice versa.

Just some thoughts ._.

That's all very interesting. Also, you can never control everything in an experiment so it's hard to judge whether something is causation or just correlation. Cause and effect are weird.

I read that as "Caucasian"

DOES THAT MAKE ME RACIST :(

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BRMBug wrote:Last night... technically this afternoon, I dreamt that I bought a porn mag and the whole front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. Which if you think of it is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody buys porn anymore.

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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Peg » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:46 am

BRMBug wrote:Last night... technically this afternoon, I dreamt that I bought a porn mag and the whole front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. Which if you think of it is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody buys porn anymore.
I actually thought the ridiculous part was that the front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. :lol:
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Barack_Obama » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:57 pm

Peg wrote:
BRMBug wrote:Last night... technically this afternoon, I dreamt that I bought a porn mag and the whole front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. Which if you think of it is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody buys porn anymore.
I actually thought the ridiculous part was that the front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. :lol:

Well, OLED screens aren't crazy, but making them touchable and flexible enough to throw in a mag would cost even more than the already retardly expensive price tags they already are.

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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby GeminiShamrock » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:16 pm

BRMBug wrote:Last night... technically this afternoon, I dreamt that I bought a porn mag and the whole front cover was a flexible OLED tablet PC. Which if you think of it is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody buys porn anymore.


Then why are there so many PPV channels and magazines devoted solely to pornography? Somebody's paying for that stuff. :lol:
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Unassumption » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:49 pm

People buy Inferior, redundant or unnecessary goods all the time, because they're ignorant of or unable to get the better or cheaper stuff, or just stuck in a rut buying the stuff they always have. You have to be irrational to buy porn when you could get more and harder stuff for free, in a more discreet form.

Conclusion that would require many things we think are true to be false and which ask more questions than they answer, require many studies with a large sample size to be reliably accepted - but small conclusions that are well accepted and fit in the framework of other conclusions might not even require 1 study to support them. Most people don't go with intuition, authority, experience, tradition, etc, each of which have some benefits (speed?) and may be accurate enough for what we want to do, it all depends on how accurate we want to be.

Just as with the Casey Anthony trial - it's better to minimise false convictions at the expense of some true convictions than vice versa.
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby cynthia325 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:54 pm

people pay for porn STILL?!


sheesh.... I don't :mrgreen:
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Re: The Randome Thread: Real Conversations Start Here!

Postby Unassumption » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:20 pm

I've heard a lot of people say, that saying offensive or censored things is going to change the laws or social attitudes, but they have no evidence for it, it's a symbolic victory as likely to be counter productive as throwing foam at Murdoch, I got no problem with people saying offensive sh*t but acting like it's this epic, heroic way of fighting oppression? People seem to have forgotten why highly valued things like freedom, weather it's of expression, the markets, the vote, or whatever. Back in the 19th century they were defended as means to an end, ways of efficiently getting truth, distributing goods, appointing leaders, etc. Just one factor among many. Now they're treated as good in itself, more important than the goals they were originally justified by. Same has happened to the likes of justice and equality, IMO. This rant inspired by this defenceof 'draw Muhammad day', itself inspired by censorship of 200 and 201.
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