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Unassumption
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Re: What's up?

Postby Unassumption » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:50 am

Some people still deny the existence of HIV or that it causes AIDS

..I still have much to learn

we all do. remember the older generation are more likely to believe what FOX tells them every time you're tempted to think you know less just because you're young. Plus old people don't all agree with each other, so they can't all be right!

The woman who gave her kid breast milk containing HIV and refused her retroviral treatments was in her 40s, over twice your age when she did that! Then died herself by not taking HIV treatments :(

Parents usually want what's best for their kids but can put them in unsafe situations that maim hurt or kill them, because of ignorance. Reminds me of what I said about not vacinating being a form of neglect, though public health benefits also come into play there. C0nc0rdance has videos for every topic it seems ._.
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Re: What's up?

Postby Pip Tweek » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:52 am

Ex1lepr0 wrote:
Mmmm...yeah. I just don't want to seem like an overconfident, know-all.....I worry about that all the time..... :(



As long as you're true to your own truth, who cares. People will try to impose their own bullpoop, but the most important thing is you thinking for yourself.
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Re: What's up?

Postby Unassumption » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:59 am

Just telling someone what you think is right, or giving them constructive advice, isn't the same as imposing on them. They are free to reject your advice without adverse effects.

As long as you're willing to accept new information and change your views accordingly, it's better if people are honest about what they believe and feel rather than hiding it inside to be polite IMO though most people probably would like you to be 'tactful' when they're about to make an obvious mistake (then will wish you hadn't been after they make it)
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Re: What's up?

Postby Ex1lepr0 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:00 am

Thanks guys.....I feel a little better. :mrgreen:
Can't we all just get along?
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Re: What's up?

Postby Unassumption » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:17 am

Have some HIV, it'll make you feel a lot better

The video on liberty vs the public good actually got me thinking.

Should the government intervene in the production, sale or consumption of a non-addictive hallucinogenic herb, which has negative side effects in a small percentage of users? If so how?

What limits, if any, would you place on liberty with regards to the decriminalization of the manufacturing, transport, sale and use of heroin?

(concordance combined all of these but I think it's best to split the question into it's components)
Someone is selling an alternative medicine they claim cures cancer, but which has found to be completely non-effective; should the government intervene?
Patients have been found to be rejecting conventional treatments for themselves - does this change your answer?
Parents have been taking their children off conventional medicine and putting them on this alternative cure - does this change your view? What about if the company makes a lot of money from it?
What about if the chemical wasn't just ineffective, but caused serious side effects in some cases?
What if they were faith healers?
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Re: What's up?

Postby Ex1lepr0 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:50 am

The government places few limits on conventional medicine. The only one they do put is the requirement to list the ingredients and side effects. But doctors rarely follow that rule, and they can literally turn people into legal druggies. I've had a friend who had this happen to him, and it's happening to my two younger brothers. They even tried it on me once.

I agree that health care is better now than it ever has been, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems.
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Re: What's up?

Postby Unassumption » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:30 am

I heard all conventional medicine had to run by the FDA unlike alternative crap? That said I've seen US medicine ads they really seem alien to me!

I recently saw a documentary on painkiller abuse,strangely made me think about it more than my best friend's family being poor as f*ck in large part because many members of it are addicted to the sh*t. Mental health meds while sometimes the best option are over-prescribed in the US to the point I doubt they even consider side effects or therapy. Even in the UK, doctors seem less willing to admit side-effects and change medication than they should - my sister's epilepsy pills damaged her vision permanently because the first doctor she saw didn't accept she may be adversely reacting to them.

That said I'm unsure weather you'd support regulation on alternative medicine, just based on the under-regulation of conventional medicine, and which of the various factors listed in his question sway you in what directions. Let alone the other 2 questions(which are the ones I'm having difficulty working out in my head)

faith healers like peter popoff make me mad
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Re: What's up?

Postby Ex1lepr0 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:04 am

Alternative meds are an attempt to bring tradition back to medicine. Sometimes its good to cling to tradition, but not in medicine, since it can be life or death.
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Re: What's up?

Postby Unassumption » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:21 am

I wish the NHS didn't support alternative medicine :(

Tradition is often imposed on people by their family or community, and can convince them to not be themselves (while there are fewer openly gay people from some backgrounds, I doubt there are fewer gay people in them, they are just pushed by tradition to not accept or admit who they are) or to do something they otherwise wouldn't do so it's not something I tend to support. Though tradition evolved over a long period of time so they might (not must) have something going for them.
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Re: What's up?

Postby Ex1lepr0 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:26 am

I'm almost everything my family doesn't want me to be, yet I still convince them I'm not a drinking, music bootlegging, gay, borderline communist pervert. Such a great feeling to know that you have to hide from your own family, especially when you have nowhere else to go... :(
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Re: What's up?

Postby Unassumption » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:01 am

I'm a closet case for the same reason - except it's a little more pathetic I still rely on my parents so much monetarily at 20 than you at 18 (is it?) but I don't want to have to drop out of college or something. I don't have to hide much though, both as they accept my political and religious views, and as I don't act or plan on acting on my being a big silly goose (what the internet is for is enough for me :U ). As such I don't feel right saying I'm in the same boat as you, but I can kinda understand. Maybe having more privacy than sharing a room makes me more comfortable with it, or that I don't see it as a big deal (anymore than liking marmite not jam) compared to things they accept?

They insist all gays are child molesters or at least attracted to kids, and that they're all moral-less psychopaths who want to kill people. At least my dick is a major racist and only likes white people, so I won't do the one thing they hate more than gays ._. I hate talking about myself as there's so little to talk about I feel I'm exagerating sh*t.

I do find it odd how majority racist a lot of European countries are compared to the US,given how liberal we are on other issues. UKIP and the BNP, both racist parties, together got over5% of the popular vote last general election, that's kinda scary and I hear is common across europe. Is it a reflection of our country's views or of parlimentary democracy vs congressional system?

But seriously your parents care about BOOTLEGGING? My mum thinks it might get you caught but attacks you for buying music - this is the one who beat dad with a golf club for handing in a wallet he found on the floor not taking all the money. Dad's room is covered with pirate DVDs he bought at market, or was until he learned how to download torrents. He likes eating supernoodles and stuff because he grew up poor even if he isn't anymore, odd guy =/

you consider yourself a boarder-line communist? Is that by their definition, like Obama being a 'socialist' according to some people when he's more right wing than Cameron? I always thought you seemed pretty center-right. I like to avoid saying I have an overall ideology and just look at individual policies so I seem a rag-tag on a lot of things, though I seem moving toward the traditional left on most of them as I get older and learn more, I let other people define me as they have a more objective position to judge and I don't want to let a self image decide what I do though it will subconsciously.

Last but not least *hug* you need one :I
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Re: What's up?

Postby Samathou » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:15 am

What's up: Now, all the truth has been discovered in one day...
Hypocrisy, sarcasm... all was obvious... mostly in that sentence kfgg wrote when he talked about "rotten chatroom".
Today, I will be a proof to confirm his thesis.
I have been banned from a channel without any explication, without any reason, even. I didn't say anything and stayed quiet. (Some people I know can tell you...)
I have been insulted for still no cause, and seen how someone could be mean without even showing you directly at the beginning. That's what I had in more than 1year.

And today, I will just tell kfgg that in this channel, I made a honor to his term and added a last sentence in the topic -which has been directly changed after, but nothing surprising.
Really good memories, though... :roll:

There are still some people I have met who were specifically cool with me and I would never forget.
In October, I already wanna wish you a Merry Christmas... mwahaha! ~~
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Re: What's up?

Postby dvda92 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:35 pm

Yes, I can approve everything Samathou said.

Sam, you have really been an enrichment for the channel and I'm sorry for what happened. I'm sure you will be missed on the chat in case you plan to not come back, but well, I'm sure that you have other ways of staying in contact with people who are cool with you.

As I've already said, I'm always there for you :)
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Re: What's up?

Postby Samathou » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:41 pm

dvda92 wrote:Yes, I can approve everything Samathou said.

Sam, you have really been an enrichment for the channel and I'm sorry for what happened. I'm sure you will be missed on the chat in case you plan to not come back, but well, I'm sure that you have other ways of staying in contact with people who are cool with you.

As I've already said, I'm always there for you :)

Thank you, dvda92, it is really kind to leave your witness and your opinion about this. Indeed, I wanna stay in touch with people who have been honest and cool. I don't regret anything in this part: meeting really awesome people _like you_ who have done all they could to help and to keep the good atmosphere.
In October, I already wanna wish you a Merry Christmas... mwahaha! ~~
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Re: What's up?

Postby stanmarsh14 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:51 pm

Sam, had a look with what has been going off.... Ban appears to be on the #yourmom chan, not #sps.

As you know, Mbuna runs the network, and #yourmom is his main chan, so you need to contact him about this, as I have no authority or control of that room.

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