*1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby FBX » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:51 am

This is a great episode, it was both funny and it inspires some good debate. IMO, f4g is still synonymous with homosexuals in modern dialect because a lot (as in significant fraction but I'm not implying a majority) of homosexuals, rather than driving a loud bike that says "look at me", wear loud clothes, consciously change their voice, and exhibit abnormal behavior that draws attention to themselves and makes others uncomfortable, regardless of if they were gay or not. Go to Disneyland and experience gay pride weekend there and try to tell me how that is any less comfortable or annoying than having a group of bikers hold a rally in your town. Homosexuals who act normal, and don't try to stand out more than any other person is just simply gay. A limp wrist dude with tight shorts, his nipples showing, rubs your shoulders when he talks to you, and purposely talks in a high voice is a f4g. Thus, you can be gay and not a f4g.

And I find it ironic (and funny) that Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave lead the movement to redefine the word "f4g". Based on the modern definition of f4g, those two are still f4gs, just not jerks at the same time. Its also funny that the flaming homosexual pictures were compared against the pictures of bikers. If someone walked around in public like those pictures, they would definitely be a f4g.

Also, I don't think homosexuality is genetic but cultural. The reason is because I don't believe that you are born with the instinct to know what you are supposed to be attracted to. That is a cultural trait. I'm not saying homosexuality is will-full though, your brain forms an idea of who you are supposed to have sex with and then so far I haven't seen much evidence to say that it ever changes, just evolves. That idea starts very vague when you are maturing, then becomes more refined, then becomes more vague as needed to promote procreation when you aren't getting any.

Ok after previewing my post, a few other posts have started to make more sense. It seems that the filter changes the word "f4g" to "homosexual". That's ironic, especially when trying to explain how gays aren't f4gs.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:54 pm

Diabeteth wrote:Oh dear Lord... I was riding the bus home today (yes, I ride the bus. I have a car, but it is the most unreliable thing on the planet) and I heard a motorcycle go by. Might not even have been a Harley, I don't know. Anyway, guess what some students yelled out the window at it.

And to think, I laughed after someone worried that kids would actually start calling those guys f4gs.


The next time the Patriot Guard Motorcyclists are escorting the body of one of our fallen military, be sure to stand by the road and yell fagg at them. The Taliban will be proud of you.

Personally, I think anyone who tries to teach hate is the real fagg.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Namel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:15 pm

Very weak episode.
Personally I couldn't care less about bikers and Harley riders, but it was just painful to watch how Matt and Trey try too hard to force on others their bad opinion about them (just like with hippie episode).
Just hope there will be more people who can think for themselves and won't suddenly start to hate something just because South Park says it's bad (these are just fаgs :P).

3/10
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:18 pm

speaking of which.............

In the Passion of the Jew, South Park blasted Mel Gibson for teaching hate with "The Passion", but yet in this episode teaches that hate toward some groups is perfectly fine.
I see some inconsistancy here :lol:

So just remember, hating some people is fine, but hating others is not.
Geez, that sounds a lot like the Liberal Democrat doctrine :mrgreen:
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:19 pm

Namel wrote:Very weak episode.
Personally I couldn't care less about bikers and Harley riders, but it was just painful to watch how Matt and Trey try too hard to force on others their bad opinion about them (just like with hippie episode).
Just hope there will be more people who can think for themselves and won't suddenly start to hate something just because South Park says it's bad (these are just fаgs :P).

3/10


exactly 8)
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Kitsunebaby » Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:11 pm

bmzerkel wrote:speaking of which.............

In the Passion of the Jew, South Park blasted Mel Gibson for teaching hate with "The Passion", but yet in this episode teaches that hate toward some groups is perfectly fine.
I see some inconsistancy here :lol:

So just remember, hating some people is fine, but hating others is not.
Geez, that sounds a lot like the Liberal Democrat doctrine :mrgreen:


Because this episode isn't talking about prejudiced and irrational hate towards a group based on religion or sexuality. It's talking about hatred towards peoples annoying actions and douchy personalities. Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:19 pm

Kitsunebaby wrote:
bmzerkel wrote:speaking of which.............

In the Passion of the Jew, South Park blasted Mel Gibson for teaching hate with "The Passion", but yet in this episode teaches that hate toward some groups is perfectly fine.
I see some inconsistancy here :lol:

So just remember, hating some people is fine, but hating others is not.
Geez, that sounds a lot like the Liberal Democrat doctrine :mrgreen:


Because this episode isn't talking about prejudiced and irrational hate towards a group based on religion or sexuality. It's talking about hatred towards peoples annoying actions and douchy personalities. Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe.


That made absolutley no sense. Much of the hatred of Jews comes from "annoying actions and douchy personalities"
So you must hate Jews then as well?
You just said "Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe"
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Kitsunebaby » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:10 pm

bmzerkel wrote:
Kitsunebaby wrote:
bmzerkel wrote:speaking of which.............

In the Passion of the Jew, South Park blasted Mel Gibson for teaching hate with "The Passion", but yet in this episode teaches that hate toward some groups is perfectly fine.
I see some inconsistancy here :lol:

So just remember, hating some people is fine, but hating others is not.
Geez, that sounds a lot like the Liberal Democrat doctrine :mrgreen:


Because this episode isn't talking about prejudiced and irrational hate towards a group based on religion or sexuality. It's talking about hatred towards peoples annoying actions and douchy personalities. Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe.


That made absolutley no sense. Much of the hatred of Jews comes from "annoying actions and douchy personalities"
So you must hate Jews then as well?
You just said "Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe"


I don't know what the hell gave you that impression. I figured any literate person would understand what I'm saying here. Prejudice, for anybody who hasn't been to a high school english class, means making judgements about people based on preconceived notions and judging people based on others that you associate with them. Hatred of jews came from old prejudice and stereotypes that they were all evil and money grubbing. This episode merely shows certain individuals who are hated because they are assh*les. Or are you saying that we're not allowed to dislike annoying people? Some of you people are entirely too sensitive about what you see on tv. I don't believe Trey and Matt would hate any person JUST because they have a harley. Besides, if you take everything you watch that goddamn literally, then maybe this isn't the show for you.

I'm sick and tired of all the posts by people who supposedly "have watched this show since the beginning" and are only now getting offended by something. If it took people till now to get offended that means that only now did south park make fun of something that hit close to home for them. The entire show ridicules all groups of people. If you can enjoy it when they make fun of others but not when they make fun of you then you're just a hypocritical douche.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:16 pm

I found the episode pretty funny if you'd bother to read the rest of the thread.

You're the one that said "Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe"
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:30 pm

I even made a Butters signature with my Harley:

Image

blublbublublubbbbbbb......... :P
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Kitsunebaby » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:38 pm

bmzerkel wrote:I found the episode pretty funny if you'd bother to read the rest of the thread.

You're the one that said "Judgement on these aspects of a person is quite acceptable I believe"


Judgements of an individual person's actions. What the hell am I supposed to judge people on? Or are you saying that all hatred is bad? Tell me you don't get annoyed at anybody.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:44 pm

You're not supposed to judge people at all.
I'm sure everyone in this thread has people "that annoy them", but the right thing to do is not judge anyone.
At least that's what I try to do.
It was nothing personal against you, it's just what you said seemed to contradict itself.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:47 pm

and it seems the gays are the ones that have a problem with the episode:
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/11/glaad-pr ... isode.html

The GLAAD statement does make some good points
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Kitsunebaby » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:56 pm

bmzerkel wrote:You're not supposed to judge people at all.
I'm sure everyone in this thread has people "that annoy them", but the right thing to do is not judge anyone.
At least that's what I try to do.
It was nothing personal against you, it's just what you said seemed to contradict itself.



If you get annoyed at anybody in particular and have thoughts like, "oh I don't really like this guy" that is judgement. I'm not saying you have to hate people to judge them, however most humans with a full range of emotions do hate several people and things. That's what's considered emotionally healthy. I think that by saying "judgement is wrong" in response to what I said is your way of judging me to be morally inferior to you. If you really disliked judging people, you would have just remarked that we have two completely different philosophies and left it at that. I personally believe all people to be guilty of judgement, however I see no fault with that so long as their reasons are based in logic. I dislike people who are assh*les. That's my brain's way of telling me to avoid those people so they don't ruin my day.
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Re: *1312: The F Word* Post-Air Discussion

Postby bmzerkel » Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:02 pm

Kitsunebaby wrote:
bmzerkel wrote:You're not supposed to judge people at all.
I'm sure everyone in this thread has people "that annoy them", but the right thing to do is not judge anyone.
At least that's what I try to do.
It was nothing personal against you, it's just what you said seemed to contradict itself.



If you get annoyed at anybody in particular and have thoughts like, "oh I don't really like this guy" that is judgement. I'm not saying you have to hate people to judge them, however most humans with a full range of emotions do hate several people and things. That's what's considered emotionally healthy. I think that by saying "judgement is wrong" in response to what I said is your way of judging me to be morally inferior to you. If you really disliked judging people, you would have just remarked that we have two completely different philosophies and left it at that. I personally believe all people to be guilty of judgement, however I see no fault with that so long as their reasons are based in logic. I dislike people who are assh*les. That's my brain's way of telling me to avoid those people so they don't ruin my day.


Well, I didn't say I was successful in not judging people :wink:
I agree with what you said except for the part of me trying to elevate myself.
That I'm not, and you're probably a better person than I am. I'm in my 40's, and have done plenty of things wrong.
That's one reason I think Trey and Matt should make episodes that are more defined when they decide to talk about issues like this one.
Like I said in one of my previous posts, I think the point of this episode got a bit lost.

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