*1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby davejazz » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:07 pm

gigarath wrote:
10000days wrote:It seems like a lot of people have criticised the bleeps etc in the episode, but whatever the circumstances, they made comedy out of it, e.g. the Tom Cruise ending would have been impossible otherwise.
The thing that annoys me more is the equation with communism - just like Americans have done with Obama's health reforms, it's ridiculous.

First off Universal Healthcare is Communistic, because everyone in the community (hence the commu, in communism.) gets something just because they live in a community. So yes Universal Healthcare is Communistic. Secondly, does the United States, or British, or Canadian, or French governments censor the media? (Except for child porn) Yet, China, Cuba, and North Korea does. So yeah censorship is kind of a commie thing.

dude u cant be so incredibly stupid by urself.. u had to practise to get there.
in the US half of the crap its on tv is censored. u never see a boob or an ass on tv yet the us has the biggest porn industry in the world and most of the shows are based on "titties and beer". ure talking about censorship? check your country dude.
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby CC CartMaN NN » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:10 pm

first lemme just say wat a bangin episode this was...for all of u who kno the episodes from back in the day this was awesome....the killing of pip (didnt like him haha), the return of mephisto and kevin, the russel crowe brawling (one of my personal fave episodes), the Free Willzyx reference at the end, etc etc, and of course scott tenorman (i went buck wild when i saw him haha) thanks trey and matt

second why is comedy central being such wussies and hypocritical? Matt and Trey get threatened all the time and they just brush it off? I mean its fine when South park makes fun of Jesus, Buddha, Moses, Joseph Smith, Krishna, Lao Tzu, and Sea Man (sorry had to throw that one in there haha) but when Muhammad is made fun of and they are threatened its suddenly wrong and they wont do it? it just baffles me just my 2 cents

again a great episode, too bad no making fun of CopperCab (the youtube ginger guy haha) yet or towelie but hopefully thats comin up
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby nixolympica » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:11 pm

This was probably the worst episode of SP ever. Just about unwatchable. I was looking forward to this all week. What a disappointment. If they couldn't joke about Muhammed then why even do this episode?
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby zzyzx 1 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:15 pm

triplemultiplex wrote:Somehow I get credit for starting what's going to become the longest episode discussion thread in SPS history?

Almost :D "The Coon" is up to page 28, but surely this thread will pass it soon!

triplemultiplex wrote:First of all, fantastic episode. There were all those callbacks to prior episodes but it all came together in a cohesive story. The choice for Cartman's dad was genius. That was way cooler than any ideas thrown around here. And the execution was awesome.

Mecha Streisand was neutralized, but not really defeated. How long can Krishna keep up the form of Neil Diamond? Hilarious nonetheless.

As soon as Pip stepped into frame in front of Mecha Streisand, I knew he was toast. Remove him from the character palette.

I agree almost 100% :) I think, I mean I know (I don't know how) that Pip will be back :)

triplemultiplex wrote:Had I been able to post last night, I would've remarked at how sweet it was that the guys bleeped Muhammad as a "f*ck you" to CC's no Muhammad policy. I just assumed CC wouldn't budge on that issue so M&T were like fine, then were just gonna bleep out the end of the episode.

That's exactly what I thought when I first saw it; that is, the only time I saw it.

triplemultiplex wrote:But in light of facts available this morning, I would've been wrong. I read all 19 pages of posts this morning (don't tell my boss) and I find the range of comments fascinating. Kudos to Stone & Parker for calling Comedy Central's bluff on this episode and forcing them to do the censoring. That makes for a powerful statement. Of course, CC wasn't bluffing and now we've got a mess on our hands.

Other posters are correct. By pulling the repeats and adding more bleeps, CC has created an even bigger controversy than if they had even allowed SP to show Muhammad.

I don't believe that the corporate structure that owns the rights to SP did this out of fear of lunatics. I think they've done it out of cover-your-ass syndrome. No one at Comedy Central, MTV or Viacom wants to have to step down, so they censored the episode. And it probably worked. I doubt anyone will lose their job because of this. That is unless Stone & Parker terminate their contract with Viacom over this issue.

I think we have a corporation stubbornly sticking to a stupid policy more so than a intentional infringement of free speech.

^ agree with you ^
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i have already seen it on megavideo.coom its awesome

Postby dimi_vhst » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:16 pm

i have already seen it its totaly awesome dude you can watch it on www.megavideo.com
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FOR ALL BIGOTS... where are your smiles???!!!

Postby free_lancer55 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:18 pm

bigots now are furious...
this is a proof that they loved episode 200 because they thought that it mocks Islam...
and now when episode 201 aired, and they did not find the mockery that they wanted, they are furious....

when would you learn that freedom of speech is about freedom not about BIGOTRY...

But still this was a cheap move of SouthPark, even if they did not mock Islam.... they want to bring more Muslims haters to watch the show without really mocking Islam...
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby darksyde » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:25 pm

i had to work the night this show aired and now i cant watch it b/c some group has to be asses, its b/s :twisted:
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The Censoring

Postby enderandpeter » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:29 pm

Well, after finally watching the version of this episode that aired, it's quite apparent why the SP creators are displeased about the audio bleeps added to the episode. I understand how the joke (that I guess the Comedy Central executives were more about) that even the mentioning of Muhammed (or anything related to him personally) is considered taboo.

It may have been out of line for Comedy Central to do this to their episode. Were they really trying to protect themselves? Was their creative outlook simply countering the makers of the show? So many questions... But I have to agree with the message that displays here that the episode that aired was not the version they intended to share with the world.
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Amrryn » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:34 pm

this episode was beyond my wildest dreams! i haven't laughed like that in a long time! AHHHHH! AMAZING! LOVED IT!



thanks matt and trey!
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby straightbanana » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:36 pm

someone, please explain me...
and I'm not rethorical, i really would like an answer, because all the so called faiths make no sense to me. I believe in God, but to me God is more of a state of mind, the presence of the unexplainable in every little thing, and it's something personal.
so, once again, what's the point of having a religion? please, don't be a smart-ass or i will kindly ask you to m*hamm*d off and eat some m*hamm*d
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby cannibalisa » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:41 pm

Thanks to whoever posted Kyle's dialogue that was bleeped at the end. Friggen hilarious! I was hoping that would surface somewhere. Any idea what Jesus and Santa said?

I hope M&T are sitting back and laughing at all of this "controversy." It's ridiculous that CC added beeps and pulled reruns. It's equally ridiculous how upset some fans are getting. It reminds me of SP's "Not Without My Anus" April Fool's joke and how upset some fans got. I loved Cartman's line where he said "I guarantee more people care about who my father is," and Randy's line about how Jesus doesn't matter when Mohammed is involved. Sadly, that's true.

Should CC have acted as they did? I vote No. But if they'd rather be safe than sorry, that's their choice. They own SP, after all. Years ago in an interview, Trey even said that technically, they could fire him and hire anyone they wanted to do the show. It sucks, but it's their call.

But now, to pile fan overreaction on top of corporate overreaction on top of religious overreaction..... well, I hope M&T are getting a laugh.

For the record, my favorite part of 201 is when Cartman shoves the flashlight in Mitch Connor's mouth to shut him up. Moses saying, "Uhm... let me think...." is a close 2nd. :lol:

The corporate suits and religious fundamentalists can keep their stupid pissing contests. It's those little, easily-overlooked, perfectly-crafted moments of genius in SP which keep me watching week after week and year after year.

Thanks, SP team!

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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Chiakie » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:47 pm

I just want to say something :
R.i.p Pip :(
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Mrs._Eff » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:47 pm

I loved this episode, but the censors were crazy. I can't believe how out of hand censorship has gotten over some things. South Park has done way more offensive things than show Muhammad, yet that's what they're worried about? Just because they don't want to piss off Muslim extremists? Ulg.

Also... Pip... :(
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby dustingdustin » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:50 pm

People REALLY need to stop blaming Parker and Stone about this. This whole thing sounds like a cut and dry Comedy Central decision. There is no lack of courage from Parker and Stone considering this issue, and it is entirely an issue with the cowards at Comedy Central over-censoring an episode out of fear. Some may say "Would you die for just to make a joke?" Well, if you take it at face value, that may seem to be all this is. But it's not. It's about your right to make that joke. It's about this being a FREE society where you are allowed to make that joke, regardless of what some nutjob who might be offended threatens. Comedy Central cut the balls off this episode and turned it into something worse than it already was. Would I die for a bear joke? No. But I would happily die to defend my right to MAKE that joke. Parker and Stone seem to feel the same way.
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Re: *1406: 201* Post-Air Discussion

Postby straightbanana » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:00 pm

AMS wrote:Religion is a personal choice. Some people like to be around folks who have the same beliefs. Even though within a religion or a church there can be great differences. Personally I was raised with religion so it is what I like (comfort in tough times). Some people are fine without it and have a very happy spiritual life (spiritual life and religious life are two separate things).

To me religion is the outer practice while (communion, Mass, etc) spirituality is what you do on the inside (prayer, talking to God, etc).

well, I guess it's ok when we're talking about personal choice. but let's take... our friendly islam fundamentalists. i don't think that a muslim kid that realises that his religion could have easily been started by Eric Cartman (death to all who make fun of my big bones) can go to his dad an say:
"hey, dad, i don't want to be muslim anymore. i would like to try and understand as much of the world as possible in my short time on this earth and eat some goddam' pork chops"
the dad would reply:
"i'll kill you with this rock. and i might have to do it myself, I have enough trouble at the office already"

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