*1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby shazzaTPM » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:14 pm

TL;DR: Lost their muse.

Wow. Just wow. It has taken me a couple of hours to compose my thoughts, but after a jog to clear my head I can now put down what I want to say. Now, before I begin, a preface: I am all too aware of the subjectiveness of reading too much into things; we all do it. But, that’s half the fun. It’s a combination of logic and imagination. But when one takes themselves too seriously, adamant that how they interpreted it is the only correct way, that is when it goes too far. Matt and Trey when creating this episode had no doubt that meticulous people such as myself would read far too into it.

The basics have been outlined in this topic again and again: Matt and Trey are growing tired of South Park. This has been prevalent throughout Season 15 with the below standard episodes. There has been good moments and wit, often returning to the wit and dialogue of earlier seasons, but the season has lacked their level of substance. I feel that there are still at least another 7 episodes to come, and I don’t know where they are taking the storyline of the Marsh’s breaking up. I’d like to think it’s resolved and one of their messages that change is inevitable and nothing lasts forever, and may as well make the most of it while it’s here (another 7 episodes). I have read posts that say that they have renewed until Season 17, but I think people are misconstruing syndicated air time until 2013 with new episodes.

I started watching South Park when I was 8 in 1998. I did not get many of the more mature jokes (the first episode I watched was Cartman Gets An Anal Probe and I was confused what a dildo was), but yet at the same time the explicitness tickled my funny bone as I was unable to enjoy most shows like others do. And I knew even back then there was much more to it than just swearing and farting. My late mum understood my mind, and we watched it together. So, I have grown up with South Park in a way. When South Park entered a transitional phase, I did as well. Season 5-6 to me, was the transitional phase from vulgarity and explicit being prominent to current affairs and issues. It aided my views about things. I would marvel at how akin they saw the world as I do/did. Season 13, for me, marks a second transitioning: to a show being more about nostalgia, no longer feeling inspired by social events and popular culture (to cover shortly).

Their muse was initially based on doing the unprecedented: 4 naive children (Kenny had a better grasp on things) with adult themes. Such an engrossing mix. And with the reoccurring themes, the most popular being the weekly death of Kenny, allowed them to publicly mark their signature yet privately enjoy incorporating a new imaginative death of an 8 year old boy into their plot.

But with 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and current affairs afoot, they did not want to become stale and confine themselves to the vulgarity that garnered their initial popularity. Matt and Trey (especially Trey) had a to get their messages across about what they think of the state of the world, or the decline of quality in popular culture, and at the same time utilise their ingenious creativity and write scarily accurate spoofs. They no longer had characters of South Park; they had the whole world and for 22 minutes a week, can do whatever the hell they want with it. They yielded a passionate and genuine muse which is what made them so humorous and clever.

Especially since the election of Obama, it just seems current affairs, politics and popular culture have lost substance. I've felt it. They have to feel it. Do you feel it? Politics in the United States – and in my country, Australia – has never been so bland and repetitive, current affairs are nothing new, and popular culture is just, to phrase the episode, sh*t. The promise and hype of Obama has been a letdown. The only current affairs they have not touched upon is all the natural disasters that have recently occurred, but even so I am sure they have done something like that in the past; and to directly spoof natural disasters is tactless – and they know that. And all the ongoing current affairs – global warming, the War on Afghanistan, and so on – are now going round in circles like a mouse on a spinning wheel.

So when we see Stan seeing everything is sh*t, I see it as Matt and Trey seeing everything as boring and repetitive. They can’t even spoof it anymore because it’s crossed the line of “wow, this is terrible and would be fun to satire!” to simply “this is simply sh*t.” They’ve touched it all before, and it’s only gotten worse. They have gone from a satirical perspective to that of cynicism. The muse in popular culture, celebrities, politics has been lost. I read a previous post (forgive me that I can’t recall the specific poster) that the sh*t references were at the viewers who have been denouncing the past Season: that may be true to an extent, but Matt and Trey are extremely smart: they know what is good and what is not. I don’t see them jumping around in the writers room going, “Wow, this Funnybot episode is one of our best!” They know they have been lacking lately. It’s all about feeling, and they have lost it. To quote Randy (Trey): “I’ve been unhappy for a long time!”

Another thing which they have touched upon before which was new and refreshing is the digital age and online dependency. They saw something in that that most people did not. But, the Internet is just only evolving and after their ‘You Have 0 Friends’ and ‘Overlogging’ episodes, that area can no longer be touched.

But the past couple of seasons there still remained inspiration around something else: revealing mysteries and tying up loose ends. To nostalgically link to the past and make new twists to things that have been reoccurring since as early as Season 1 evoked their imagination, but that was only finite. After solving the mystery of Cartman’s dad and the intricacies to Kenny’s death (and a more later mystery: Kenny being Mysterion), another source of inspiration has been depleted.

Now, they have one source of inspiration left, and that is ending it. Ending their creation is their last muse. How to end it would evoke all sorts of creative ideas (I am sure the episode was not the last), but right now they feel they are in a rut (as Sharon put it). South Park will always be their baby, but it does limit them when they have so other main platforms. Different platforms evoke different ideas. Look at their musicals and movies. “I’ve been afraid of changing, because I’ve built my life around you.”

The reference to the “tween years” made me think. They first said 2009 to 2012 and then 2009 to 2013. 2009 being the year that Obama first started, and current affairs got rapidly boring. But maybe they sense that is only a fluctuating cycle, and once the hype of 2012 ends, a new era will begin? We are in a very intermission, immature era right now – the tween era. Popular culture is at an all time low – so low that it cannot be spoofed. Conversely, people maximising the Internet are finding their own interests with YouTube and obscure bands, thereby going against the trends; this creates a distinction between trend followers and individuals like never before. However, I think I digress.

I found the use of the Stevie Nicks song, with Trey previously saying he hates her, as simply a counter argument: we may satire so many things, such as Stevie Nicks, but we know something good in everything. And we like this song. We know it can be emotional.

Those two old characters were really peculiar, and I am surprise nobody has talked more about them. Did anyone else notice nobody talked to them throughout the entire episode? They were these observers. On the one hand I see them as saying that while M&T currently lack inspiration, they can still create jokes if they want to: while on the outside it differs, it’s essentially the same just “more and more ridiculous”. Queue them coming downstairs.

But, have a look at them. Holy f*cking sh*t. Is it me or does the skinny one resemble Trey and the bald one resemble Matt? The older one has that Jewish beard. I’m pretty sure Trey and Matt are voicing them respectively as well. “You’re getting too old.” Is this them drawn old? What they fear they will become if they let South Park drag on, becoming so ridiculous, tired and resorting to obtuse observations? Not sure if this was their intention at all, or if anyone agrees with me, but that’s how I’ll from henceforth construe it as. But I am certain they weren’t put there just “cause”. If you read Trey’s opinion on the Big Bang and the universe, if there’s one thing he despises is things happening just “cause”.

It must be noted how Trey Parker and Matt Stone are fans of Alan Watts, a Zen Buddhist and philosopher who has inspired me deeply. They have animated a couple of his lectures, such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OpDZ9tAho

The reason I bring this is up is because that nothing is permanent; change is inevitable. That is one of the key factors in the wisdom of Alan Watts. The more you try to resist change, the more it becomes hard. Like trying to swim in a current. And perhaps hanging onto South Park for too long. If Trey still remains inspired by Alan Watts, then I feel I know exactly where he is coming from. (Although I am unsure how old those animated videos are, and if Trey even cares about Alan Watts anymore, but I’d like to think he does).

CurseOfTheChozo wrote:And reason #2 kinda leads back to why this episode upset me (in a good way): It reminded me of the finite amount of time we have. Not in life as a whole (as I have always been aware of that), but in particular 'sections' of our own personal lives. I too grew apart from many of my childhood friends and interests going into teenhood. I grew apart from many of my teenhood friends and interests going into young adulthood. And I find myself now, like the show, in a transitional phase - where the once seemingly mundane concepts of a "career" and "settling down" and "starting a family" are no longer just concepts - they're real things that I actively desire. And while I won't delude myself into thinking that I'm in the emotional or psychological headspace for those RIGHT NOW, I AM finding myself looking forward to the day when I will be. And the innocent young child and the rebellious little teen sh*thead and the skeptical, sometimes cynical young adult that I have been are having, if not a hard time, then a WEIRD time trying to reconcile who I was then with who I am now years later and who I eventually want to and will become.


Very true. Not only did I conjure up the multitude of most likely false interpretations, it did strike me on a personal level. The message I got in my own feelings is how, now as a 22 year old, have been trying too long to hang on to teenage friendships which are primarily based on nostalgia. While nostalgia is enjoyable in moderate doses, it should not be the grounds for friendship. Or it won’t last forever. But upon further reflection, while I need to accept that friends will come and go as we enter, as you so rightly put it, ‘sections’ of our personal lives, so too will I simply bask in the present moment and make the most of it. Very Alan Watts esque.

I’d like to think that’s the last seven episodes where they are leading: to publicly announce they want to end it soon, they may make the most of the last seven.
It was a beautifully crafted episode and I congratulate anyone that took the opportunity to read my post. It needed to be addressed because lack of communication is stupid. We sensed this season that Matt and Trey have lose their muse, and they knew they had to, so rather than making mediocre episodes which results in verbatim attacks, they have simply gone on to say: “Look, guys. We can’t keep doing the same thing. We’re creative and we need to change and move on. South Park no longer inspires us. We know the past few episodes have been pretty sh*t. Nothing is permanent.”

Thank you for being there in all of my transitional phases, South Park. Thank you for growing with me.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby timmsworld » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:25 pm

I feel this was as self aware as a show can honestly become. We should be praising T & M for this.

They used the song "Landslide" for very specific reasons and the scenes being shown during certain lyrics can attest to that.

I took my love and I took it down
Climbed a mountain and turned around


-Stan is sitting at Starks Pond, Kyle walks up to him, and turns around.

And I saw my reflection in the snow-covered hills
Till the landslide brought it down


-Stan is staring into a flower and only can see sh*t.

Oh, mirror in the sky - What is love?
Can the child within my heart rise above?
Can I sail through the changin' ocean tides?
Can I handle the seasons of my life?
I don't know, I don't know


-Stan is learning about the divorce, moving out, Randy is driving during the "sailing" lyrics.

Now the most important:

Well, I've been afraid of changin'
Because I've built my life around you


-Literally synched up to "built my life..." is the crazy britchers storyline. They have built the show around stories like these.

But time makes you bolder, even children get older
And I'm getting older, too


Synched up to "even children..." is Kyle and Cartman becoming friends.

And if you see my reflection in the snow-covered hills
Well, the landslide will bring it down


Right at reflection Stan sees the duck and then it spews crap on him.
.....

Personally I wish other show creators were more self-aware. I think the sh*t throughout the episode it them reflecting on how they can no longer live up to their own standards and its swung too far to cynicism.

There is nothing that saddens me more than watching a show in slow decline: Simpsons, King of the Hill, ect. So yes the show is ending. Indeed they are ready to take their love, take it down.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby KleinBottle » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:29 pm

After watching the episode again, my opinion is that the episode was great if and only if it was the series finale. Matt and Trey told us in the episode that they are sick of doing the show. If that is the case, making any more episodes seems like selling out.

The Marsh family broke up, the friends broke up, and unlike other times this has happened there was no resolution at the end of the episode. We actually saw a sad episode of South Park. Unlike Seinfeld, the complete departure from show norms to end the show works in this case, assuming this is the end.

...Or maybe they will just replace Stan with Ashton Kutcher.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Fabis » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:35 pm

Lol did anyone else notice a Custer's Revenge arcade in that Bowling place?

Custer's Revenge was a funny old Atari Porn game. Angry Video Game Nerd reviewed it too :P
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby JJz » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:38 pm

M&T have openly admitted plenty of times that they don't have fun making the show, but for them to outright reveal how tired they are is really...sad.

My personal opinion is that going from doing the press and everything for the broadway show to doing seven weeks of SP has really taken both a physical and mental toll on them. They're probably feeling burnt out right now and are unsure of SP's future, and they'll prob use their time off to really think about.

They could either end it, or use the ending of this ep. as an interesting dynamic for the future. This ep. was a real eye opener though, and made me realize how emotional invested I am in these characters, so just imagine how hard it is for M&T.

All I know is I'll be with SP until the very end, whenever that is.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby KleinBottle » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:42 pm

Fabis wrote:Lol did anyone else notice a Custer's Revenge arcade in that Bowling place?

Custer's Revenge was a funny old Atari Porn game. Angry Video Game Nerd reviewed it too :P


Yeah, I mentioned that a while ago. It is also already on the wiki for this episode:

http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/You're_ ... Old/Trivia
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Postby Mt Toker » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:43 pm

What makes you guys think this is going to be a 2 parter? and what lead you to believe that Stan even left the town of South Park? I watched it again saw nothing to lead me to think that. I feel like there could be some symbolism at the end expressing Matt and Treys growing past southpark and its time for them to move on to other projects. When Sharron is talking about the same thing happening every week about the same stories over and over, and the Stevie Nicks song where she says ; well Ive been afraid of changin because Ive built my life around you; could have been chosen because of the role southpark has played in in their carrier. Sorry for funky punctuation, the keyboard is messin up.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby ShaneHaughey » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:01 pm

TL;DR, this is either just a good two-parter or the end of the show and a kick in my nuts.
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Most signs point to this getting 'resolved' at some point and Stan returning into the fold. I say that because it isn't Matt and Trey's normal MO to utterly f*cking ruin a character in such a mean spirited way and then run away. If it was a set-up to a second part, it was great. If it wasn't and Stan Marsh is now a friendless cynical assh*le who is written out of the show, then it is the effective end of South Park.

But let me start with the only real positive, Randy and Sharon divorcing. I said they should for years and am a little happy that it what happened.

But that doesn't really matter. You could theoritically kill both of them and the show would survive. Randy is the stereotypical 'LOLOLOLOLOL FADDA' character and Sharon, despite room for development, isn't much of a bonus.

No, the real situation is obviously Stan. One of the most important characters in the show and one of them with the most room to grow, writing him out is not only an afront to their past work(as anything that has been shown as character building for him is rendered null and void, making a whole swathe of episodes pointless now), but limits what they can do in the future. Seriously, I could lay down twenty good development ideas for Stan that can be used not only to build the character, but also be funny at the same time. It isn't hard for him at all and the only reason we haven't seen it is because he isn't a base character like Cartman/Butters/Randy, the last of who isso easy to write(and not in a good way) that he came to dominate Marsh family plots and is almost directly to blame for what happened last night.

And we are also told, or at least it is inferred, that Cartman and Kyle will become BFFs and everything will work out between them. Considering they have both been willing to see one another dead and have gone out of their way to f*ck with one another, it is, yet again, something which nullifies pretty much every past episode where Cartman and Kyle conflict was vital.

I saw the first episode the week it aired. I saw the second episode when it aired and I have viewed every new episode since then. I identified immediately with Stan as a kid and he was the biggest reason why I was a fan. Because of him, I convinced dozens of people to become fans. I worked them with certain episodes and certain plotlines and dozens of people became hooked. At least a hundred at least gave the show a chance. I spent lunch money during season nine to print out scripts when I didn't have cable to watch the episodes when they aired. While I was sleeping on the floor, being moved around from place to place, I would buy the DVDs instead of new clothes.

I am a serious, hardcore fan, almost entirely due to Stan Marsh and how I connected with him as a kid. If they wanted to end the show, there are a million respectful ways to do that. And yet, I don't think they are signalling they want to end the show, because they recently inked a deal to go until season 17.

So all this was crapping on one of the most vital characters they have. The big change could easily be the parents divorcing and changing Stan's home situation drastically- it is never explicitly stated Stan moves from South Park, just out of his house- and it would be a big change. I mean, you're already turning Stan into a cynical assh*le, taking away his friends, and wrecking his home life(which is actually a fine idea by itself and it doesn't need anything else), so why not have him raped and paralyzed while someone kills his dog and makes him eat the remains or he kills Sharon?

I'm more than a little upset right now for a few thousand different reasons, but I can say that I still have enough faith in Matt and Trey that this is a two-parter and Stan is restored. If he isn't, then even if the show were to go on for ten more years, it ended June 8th, 2011.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby alb4369 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:05 pm

You people are thinking way too much into this. This isn't LOST, it's southpark. They're just going to resolve it with some tongue in cheek bullsh*t in october
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby cynthia325 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:08 pm

^ @Shane: I enjoyed reading your post! Thank you for being a fellow hardcore fan and having faith!
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Big-Will » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:26 pm

BearGrylls wrote:Did anyone else notice that the Sticky in the General Discussion part about M&T signing and new contract was "Un-Stickified"????? :cry:

FML! :evil:

Heh, good. I'd have done that myself, but nall took that ability from me years ago.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Brendle » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:31 pm

shazzaTPM wrote:TL;DR: Lost their muse.

Wow. Just wow. It has taken me a couple of hours to compose my thoughts, but after a jog to clear my head I can now put down what I want to say. Now, before I begin, a preface: I am all too aware of the subjectiveness of reading too much into things; we all do it. But, that’s half the fun. It’s a combination of logic and imagination. But when one takes themselves too seriously, adamant that how they interpreted it is the only correct way, that is when it goes too far. Matt and Trey when creating this episode had no doubt that meticulous people such as myself would read far too into it.

The basics have been outlined in this topic again and again: Matt and Trey are growing tired of South Park. This has been prevalent throughout Season 15 with the below standard episodes. There has been good moments and wit, often returning to the wit and dialogue of earlier seasons, but the season has lacked their level of substance. I feel that there are still at least another 7 episodes to come, and I don’t know where they are taking the storyline of the Marsh’s breaking up. I’d like to think it’s resolved and one of their messages that change is inevitable and nothing lasts forever, and may as well make the most of it while it’s here (another 7 episodes). I have read posts that say that they have renewed until Season 17, but I think people are misconstruing syndicated air time until 2013 with new episodes.

I started watching South Park when I was 8 in 1998. I did not get many of the more mature jokes (the first episode I watched was Cartman Gets An Anal Probe and I was confused what a dildo was), but yet at the same time the explicitness tickled my funny bone as I was unable to enjoy most shows like others do. And I knew even back then there was much more to it than just swearing and farting. My late mum understood my mind, and we watched it together. So, I have grown up with South Park in a way. When South Park entered a transitional phase, I did as well. Season 5-6 to me, was the transitional phase from vulgarity and explicit being prominent to current affairs and issues. It aided my views about things. I would marvel at how akin they saw the world as I do/did. Season 13, for me, marks a second transitioning: to a show being more about nostalgia, no longer feeling inspired by social events and popular culture (to cover shortly).

Their muse was initially based on doing the unprecedented: 4 naive children (Kenny had a better grasp on things) with adult themes. Such an engrossing mix. And with the reoccurring themes, the most popular being the weekly death of Kenny, allowed them to publicly mark their signature yet privately enjoy incorporating a new imaginative death of an 8 year old boy into their plot.

But with 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and current affairs afoot, they did not want to become stale and confine themselves to the vulgarity that garnered their initial popularity. Matt and Trey (especially Trey) had a to get their messages across about what they think of the state of the world, or the decline of quality in popular culture, and at the same time utilise their ingenious creativity and write scarily accurate spoofs. They no longer had characters of South Park; they had the whole world and for 22 minutes a week, can do whatever the hell they want with it. They yielded a passionate and genuine muse which is what made them so humorous and clever.

Especially since the election of Obama, it just seems current affairs, politics and popular culture have lost substance. I've felt it. They have to feel it. Do you feel it? Politics in the United States – and in my country, Australia – has never been so bland and repetitive, current affairs are nothing new, and popular culture is just, to phrase the episode, sh*t. The promise and hype of Obama has been a letdown. The only current affairs they have not touched upon is all the natural disasters that have recently occurred, but even so I am sure they have done something like that in the past; and to directly spoof natural disasters is tactless – and they know that. And all the ongoing current affairs – global warming, the War on Afghanistan, and so on – are now going round in circles like a mouse on a spinning wheel.

So when we see Stan seeing everything is sh*t, I see it as Matt and Trey seeing everything as boring and repetitive. They can’t even spoof it anymore because it’s crossed the line of “wow, this is terrible and would be fun to satire!” to simply “this is simply sh*t.” They’ve touched it all before, and it’s only gotten worse. They have gone from a satirical perspective to that of cynicism. The muse in popular culture, celebrities, politics has been lost. I read a previous post (forgive me that I can’t recall the specific poster) that the sh*t references were at the viewers who have been denouncing the past Season: that may be true to an extent, but Matt and Trey are extremely smart: they know what is good and what is not. I don’t see them jumping around in the writers room going, “Wow, this Funnybot episode is one of our best!” They know they have been lacking lately. It’s all about feeling, and they have lost it. To quote Randy (Trey): “I’ve been unhappy for a long time!”

Another thing which they have touched upon before which was new and refreshing is the digital age and online dependency. They saw something in that that most people did not. But, the Internet is just only evolving and after their ‘You Have 0 Friends’ and ‘Overlogging’ episodes, that area can no longer be touched.

But the past couple of seasons there still remained inspiration around something else: revealing mysteries and tying up loose ends. To nostalgically link to the past and make new twists to things that have been reoccurring since as early as Season 1 evoked their imagination, but that was only finite. After solving the mystery of Cartman’s dad and the intricacies to Kenny’s death (and a more later mystery: Kenny being Mysterion), another source of inspiration has been depleted.

Now, they have one source of inspiration left, and that is ending it. Ending their creation is their last muse. How to end it would evoke all sorts of creative ideas (I am sure the episode was not the last), but right now they feel they are in a rut (as Sharon put it). South Park will always be their baby, but it does limit them when they have so other main platforms. Different platforms evoke different ideas. Look at their musicals and movies. “I’ve been afraid of changing, because I’ve built my life around you.”

The reference to the “tween years” made me think. They first said 2009 to 2012 and then 2009 to 2013. 2009 being the year that Obama first started, and current affairs got rapidly boring. But maybe they sense that is only a fluctuating cycle, and once the hype of 2012 ends, a new era will begin? We are in a very intermission, immature era right now – the tween era. Popular culture is at an all time low – so low that it cannot be spoofed. Conversely, people maximising the Internet are finding their own interests with YouTube and obscure bands, thereby going against the trends; this creates a distinction between trend followers and individuals like never before. However, I think I digress.

I found the use of the Stevie Nicks song, with Trey previously saying he hates her, as simply a counter argument: we may satire so many things, such as Stevie Nicks, but we know something good in everything. And we like this song. We know it can be emotional.

Those two old characters were really peculiar, and I am surprise nobody has talked more about them. Did anyone else notice nobody talked to them throughout the entire episode? They were these observers. On the one hand I see them as saying that while M&T currently lack inspiration, they can still create jokes if they want to: while on the outside it differs, it’s essentially the same just “more and more ridiculous”. Queue them coming downstairs.

But, have a look at them. Holy f*cking sh*t. Is it me or does the skinny one resemble Trey and the bald one resemble Matt? The older one has that Jewish beard. I’m pretty sure Trey and Matt are voicing them respectively as well. “You’re getting too old.” Is this them drawn old? What they fear they will become if they let South Park drag on, becoming so ridiculous, tired and resorting to obtuse observations? Not sure if this was their intention at all, or if anyone agrees with me, but that’s how I’ll from henceforth construe it as. But I am certain they weren’t put there just “cause”. If you read Trey’s opinion on the Big Bang and the universe, if there’s one thing he despises is things happening just “cause”.

It must be noted how Trey Parker and Matt Stone are fans of Alan Watts, a Zen Buddhist and philosopher who has inspired me deeply. They have animated a couple of his lectures, such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OpDZ9tAho

The reason I bring this is up is because that nothing is permanent; change is inevitable. That is one of the key factors in the wisdom of Alan Watts. The more you try to resist change, the more it becomes hard. Like trying to swim in a current. And perhaps hanging onto South Park for too long. If Trey still remains inspired by Alan Watts, then I feel I know exactly where he is coming from. (Although I am unsure how old those animated videos are, and if Trey even cares about Alan Watts anymore, but I’d like to think he does).

CurseOfTheChozo wrote:And reason #2 kinda leads back to why this episode upset me (in a good way): It reminded me of the finite amount of time we have. Not in life as a whole (as I have always been aware of that), but in particular 'sections' of our own personal lives. I too grew apart from many of my childhood friends and interests going into teenhood. I grew apart from many of my teenhood friends and interests going into young adulthood. And I find myself now, like the show, in a transitional phase - where the once seemingly mundane concepts of a "career" and "settling down" and "starting a family" are no longer just concepts - they're real things that I actively desire. And while I won't delude myself into thinking that I'm in the emotional or psychological headspace for those RIGHT NOW, I AM finding myself looking forward to the day when I will be. And the innocent young child and the rebellious little teen sh*thead and the skeptical, sometimes cynical young adult that I have been are having, if not a hard time, then a WEIRD time trying to reconcile who I was then with who I am now years later and who I eventually want to and will become.


Very true. Not only did I conjure up the multitude of most likely false interpretations, it did strike me on a personal level. The message I got in my own feelings is how, now as a 22 year old, have been trying too long to hang on to teenage friendships which are primarily based on nostalgia. While nostalgia is enjoyable in moderate doses, it should not be the grounds for friendship. Or it won’t last forever. But upon further reflection, while I need to accept that friends will come and go as we enter, as you so rightly put it, ‘sections’ of our personal lives, so too will I simply bask in the present moment and make the most of it. Very Alan Watts esque.

I’d like to think that’s the last seven episodes where they are leading: to publicly announce they want to end it soon, they may make the most of the last seven.
It was a beautifully crafted episode and I congratulate anyone that took the opportunity to read my post. It needed to be addressed because lack of communication is stupid. We sensed this season that Matt and Trey have lose their muse, and they knew they had to, so rather than making mediocre episodes which results in verbatim attacks, they have simply gone on to say: “Look, guys. We can’t keep doing the same thing. We’re creative and we need to change and move on. South Park no longer inspires us. We know the past few episodes have been pretty sh*t. Nothing is permanent.”

Thank you for being there in all of my transitional phases, South Park. Thank you for growing with me.

Loved this post. Thanks for writing it.

I think it was pretty much dead-on for everything except the two old guys. I don't think they represent Matt/Trey, and that's a bit of a reach. Matt/Trey don't speak in southern accents. Nice idea, though.

As for how this episode affected me...it did hit me pretty hard. I realized that I just have no friends now...I became Stan. Shut myself off from my friends and the people I know...I started thinking everything is sh*tty and everything sucks...so people started thinking I'm sh*tty, and I suck.

But I'm not going to become a hermit or a recluse...I'm taking this bull by the horns and I'm going to get out of this emotional slump.

Yes, I know this thread isn't therapy but I'm just glad you shared your thoughts.

I said this before...this was an INCREDIBLE episode of South Park. It was brilliantly honest, touching, and depressing. "Because I'm unhappy!" was bonechilling.
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Postby RabuPep » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:31 pm

...They%u2018re ten years old and they all have iPod Touches (save for Kenny who has an iPod Shuffle)...

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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby ShaneHaughey » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:38 pm

If this is the start of the end, then I at least know what season to completely disregard in terms of development and universe purposes. :lol: Won't have to jump around.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Brendle » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:43 pm

There's something so endearing about the final montage. I felt like I was watching a drama. The fact that it's even a montage, when Trey has mocked the idea of montages in Team America/Asspen...

And it uses a Stevie Nicks song...something they've also mocked.

It's kind of like they're tired of having to be "funny" all the time, or satirical. They just thought "f*ck it..." and did the genuinely sad, dramatic scene they wanted to do. These guys are true artists.
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