*1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Pleasedon'tend » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:33 am

John_117 wrote:
Pleasedon'tend wrote:
What if they did what they did in Season 2: Bring in more writers?


Then they'd just have more people to rehash what they have done for 15 years.

But that'd be good, right, like they say, more brains are better than 1.


Not necessarily. If its the same sh*t then it would defeat the purpose of this episode, which was to make a big change instead of going with the norm.
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Not funny

Postby Bunnyturd » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:35 am

I am a long time South Park fan. I have purchased and watched every single episode on iTunes at least 5 times each.

I am sad to say that lately there have been several episodes including the one this week that just aren't that funny. What's going on? Trey Parker running out of creative juice? Or they have some German writing the script now?
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby kennystheword11 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:46 am

is anyone else worried about the fact that kyleand cartman arenow possibly BFFs!? This will probably end up like the Mr Garison/ Mrs. Garison thing, or the dead Kenny thing( BTW, what happened to that???). I do hope it ends well. I can't bear to have it not. Its like waiting 'til 8/05/11. Thats right. Absolutly agonizing.

:unhoodedkenny: :mrgreen:
Also, I hope theres more of the whole kenny unmasked thing.
Maybe him talking, like, normally. That would be relly awsome.
:unhoodedkenny: :mrgreen:

one more thing, is it just me, or does anyone else have a couple pretty good episode ideas?
:?: :?: :?: :idea: :?: :?: :?:
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby psychicpebble » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:51 am

Is it just me, or did you guys hear the dialogue between Randy and Sharon as a dialogue between Matt & Trey and the show?

Sharon: "You do this all the time! First you're obsessed with baseball fights, then you need to play Warcraft, then you've got to be a celebrity chef!"

Randy: "Why can't you ever just support me!?"

Sharon: "Support what? Another stupid dream of yours?"

Randy: "Face it Sharon, our son turned 10, and you feel old!"

Sharon: "What does our son turning 10 have to do with you making the same mistakes over and over again?"

Randy: "Because I'm unhappy okay! I've been unhappy for a long time!"

Sharon: "I'm unhappy too...we both are, obviously. How much longer can we keep doing this? It's like the same sh*t just happens over and over, then in a week it all just resets until it happens again. Every week it's kind of the same story in a different way, but, it just keeps getting more and more ridiculous!"

Randy: "I don't know if I've changed or you have, but I just feel like I don't have a lot of time left. I want to enjoy it."

Sharon: "I want to enjoy it too but, I can't fake it anymore. You just seem kind of sh*tty to me."

Randy: "You kind of seem sh*tty to me too."

Sharon: "People get older Randy...people grow apart..."

Regardless, I'm extremely eager to see where the show turns after this. I've been noticing Matt & Trey slowly wrapping up the series, tying all loose ends and so on for the last season or so.

Very depressing episode, but probably one of my favorites. Awesome writing, has me on my edge.

They've been doing an amazing job lately with great writing. (200, 2001, The Coon trilogy, etc)
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Mr.ArseHole » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:54 am

Last nights episode was freaking sad :( but i believe its not going to be a 2 parter. I think 1508 is gonna be 1) A whole different episode not even pertaining to 1507 like Not Without My Anus or 2) Just start out with everything back to normal and ready to go. Either way Trey and Matt are still the best writers on the Moving Pictures Box
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Pleasedon'tend » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:54 am

psychicpebble wrote:Is it just me, or did you guys hear the dialogue between Randy and Sharon as a dialogue between Matt & Trey and the show?

Sharon: "You do this all the time! First you're obsessed with baseball fights, then you need to play Warcraft, then you've got to be a celebrity chef!"

Randy: "Why can't you ever just support me!?"

Sharon: "Support what? Another stupid dream of yours?"

Randy: "Face it Sharon, our son turned 10, and you feel old!"

Sharon: "What does our son turning 10 have to do with you making the same mistakes over and over again?"

Randy: "Because I'm unhappy okay! I've been unhappy for a long time!"

Sharon: "I'm unhappy too...we both are, obviously. How much longer can we keep doing this? It's like the same sh*t just happens over and over, then in a week it all just resets until it happens again. Every week it's kind of the same story in a different way, but, it just keeps getting more and more ridiculous!"

Randy: "I don't know if I've changed or you have, but I just feel like I don't have a lot of time left. I want to enjoy it."

Sharon: "I want to enjoy it too but, I can't fake it anymore. You just seem kind of sh*tty to me."

Randy: "You kind of seem sh*tty to me too."

Sharon: "People get older Randy...people grow apart..."

Regardless, I'm extremely eager to see where the show turns after this. I've been noticing Matt & Trey slowly wrapping up the series, tying all loose ends and so on for the last season or so.

Very depressing episode, but probably one of my favorites. Awesome writing, has me on my edge.

They've been doing an amazing job lately with great writing. (200, 2001, The Coon trilogy, etc)


Ya i though that that conversation was a pretty big message from M&T
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby thehardlyboys » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:00 am

I dont understand how anyone could say that episode was funny. there was a few funny scenes, but me and about everybody else I know hated the episode. I personally thought it was the worst episode ever. Worse then "Funnybot". I feel like with the exception of "T.M.I.", M&T really dropped the ball this half season, with some of the worst episodes in all of South Park history. Anybody who thought that episode was funny finds humor in sh*t coming out of peoples mouths, which is not funny at all. I love South Park, but they are dumbing down the jokes so much that the show is coming off just plain stupid. My guess: Sharon and Randy reunite by the hands of Cartman, just like in "Smug Alert". There's no way M&T leave it like this.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby swatson79 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:06 am

Aw c'mon Matt and Trey...this can't be the end!!! Last night was the only time that South Park actually DEPRESSED me! :zombiekenny:
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby mecagir » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:08 am

well I feel this really is the end. there are so many signs, like everyone has said Randy and Sharin's speech defiantly represented Matt and Trey's feeling towards the show, they have been wrapping things up like kenny's deaths and Cartmans father, and they showed Kenny without his hood like it was no big deal, they are done. lately the shows have seemed a little forced, however they were still amazing, and Matt and trey have come close to stopping multiple times through out the years, it looks like they finally did, since they are just undoing everything we know about south park, Kenny without his hood, kyle and Stan aren't best friends and kyle and Cartman seem to get along. I hope I'm wrong but nothing lasts forever :(
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby psychicpebble » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:09 am

I mean, for Christ sake, the title of the episode is even "You're Getting Old", which, to me, is obviously their feelings about the show.

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

I am torn how to feel, I hope I'm wrong, and I hope I'm right.

If I'm right, then the show will end this season, and do a lot of crazy sh*t. I don't mean as far as aliens, etc go, I mean crazy things you would never see the characters do. There will be a lot of character development going on the remainder of this season. Matt and Trey have over 200 hours left of air time to wrap up the show, and possibly (hopefully) end it with a big bang as a movie.

If I'm wrong, they are just f*cking with us like they have for so many years, on so many occasions. Let's not forget Randy and Sharon were divorced in the episode Treehouse, I believe.

Regardless, I hope the show continues because I love it, but HONESTLY I'd rather it end properly and too soon rather than drag on and end too late, and keep going when everyone wants it to be canceled. (The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc)

Whatever they decide to do I'm sure they'll end it the right way. Don't forget, they are Matt and Trey.
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fdfd

Postby KyIeBroflowski » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:12 am

Stan is such a buzz kill.
I like to hang out with Cartman now.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby psychicpebble » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:14 am

Also excuse me, it was "Clubhouses" not "Treehouse".

Season 2, episode 12.
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Postby MMPain » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:33 am

I'm up to the 1st commercial break now and wow. I loved this episode so far!
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby mistaphill » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:35 am

I thought this episode was awesome. It's true as well. To me most music today does sound like crap, and they way they portrayed it was hysterical. I was dying during the movie preview part.
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Re: *1507: You're Getting Old* Post-Air Discussion

Postby shazzaTPM » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:50 am

Brendle wrote:
shazzaTPM wrote:TL;DR: Lost their muse.

Wow. Just wow. It has taken me a couple of hours to compose my thoughts, but after a jog to clear my head I can now put down what I want to say. Now, before I begin, a preface: I am all too aware of the subjectiveness of reading too much into things; we all do it. But, that’s half the fun. It’s a combination of logic and imagination. But when one takes themselves too seriously, adamant that how they interpreted it is the only correct way, that is when it goes too far. Matt and Trey when creating this episode had no doubt that meticulous people such as myself would read far too into it.

The basics have been outlined in this topic again and again: Matt and Trey are growing tired of South Park. This has been prevalent throughout Season 15 with the below standard episodes. There has been good moments and wit, often returning to the wit and dialogue of earlier seasons, but the season has lacked their level of substance. I feel that there are still at least another 7 episodes to come, and I don’t know where they are taking the storyline of the Marsh’s breaking up. I’d like to think it’s resolved and one of their messages that change is inevitable and nothing lasts forever, and may as well make the most of it while it’s here (another 7 episodes). I have read posts that say that they have renewed until Season 17, but I think people are misconstruing syndicated air time until 2013 with new episodes.

I started watching South Park when I was 8 in 1998. I did not get many of the more mature jokes (the first episode I watched was Cartman Gets An Anal Probe and I was confused what a dildo was), but yet at the same time the explicitness tickled my funny bone as I was unable to enjoy most shows like others do. And I knew even back then there was much more to it than just swearing and farting. My late mum understood my mind, and we watched it together. So, I have grown up with South Park in a way. When South Park entered a transitional phase, I did as well. Season 5-6 to me, was the transitional phase from vulgarity and explicit being prominent to current affairs and issues. It aided my views about things. I would marvel at how akin they saw the world as I do/did. Season 13, for me, marks a second transitioning: to a show being more about nostalgia, no longer feeling inspired by social events and popular culture (to cover shortly).

Their muse was initially based on doing the unprecedented: 4 naive children (Kenny had a better grasp on things) with adult themes. Such an engrossing mix. And with the reoccurring themes, the most popular being the weekly death of Kenny, allowed them to publicly mark their signature yet privately enjoy incorporating a new imaginative death of an 8 year old boy into their plot.

But with 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and current affairs afoot, they did not want to become stale and confine themselves to the vulgarity that garnered their initial popularity. Matt and Trey (especially Trey) had a to get their messages across about what they think of the state of the world, or the decline of quality in popular culture, and at the same time utilise their ingenious creativity and write scarily accurate spoofs. They no longer had characters of South Park; they had the whole world and for 22 minutes a week, can do whatever the hell they want with it. They yielded a passionate and genuine muse which is what made them so humorous and clever.

Especially since the election of Obama, it just seems current affairs, politics and popular culture have lost substance. I've felt it. They have to feel it. Do you feel it? Politics in the United States – and in my country, Australia – has never been so bland and repetitive, current affairs are nothing new, and popular culture is just, to phrase the episode, sh*t. The promise and hype of Obama has been a letdown. The only current affairs they have not touched upon is all the natural disasters that have recently occurred, but even so I am sure they have done something like that in the past; and to directly spoof natural disasters is tactless – and they know that. And all the ongoing current affairs – global warming, the War on Afghanistan, and so on – are now going round in circles like a mouse on a spinning wheel.

So when we see Stan seeing everything is sh*t, I see it as Matt and Trey seeing everything as boring and repetitive. They can’t even spoof it anymore because it’s crossed the line of “wow, this is terrible and would be fun to satire!” to simply “this is simply sh*t.” They’ve touched it all before, and it’s only gotten worse. They have gone from a satirical perspective to that of cynicism. The muse in popular culture, celebrities, politics has been lost. I read a previous post (forgive me that I can’t recall the specific poster) that the sh*t references were at the viewers who have been denouncing the past Season: that may be true to an extent, but Matt and Trey are extremely smart: they know what is good and what is not. I don’t see them jumping around in the writers room going, “Wow, this Funnybot episode is one of our best!” They know they have been lacking lately. It’s all about feeling, and they have lost it. To quote Randy (Trey): “I’ve been unhappy for a long time!”

Another thing which they have touched upon before which was new and refreshing is the digital age and online dependency. They saw something in that that most people did not. But, the Internet is just only evolving and after their ‘You Have 0 Friends’ and ‘Overlogging’ episodes, that area can no longer be touched.

But the past couple of seasons there still remained inspiration around something else: revealing mysteries and tying up loose ends. To nostalgically link to the past and make new twists to things that have been reoccurring since as early as Season 1 evoked their imagination, but that was only finite. After solving the mystery of Cartman’s dad and the intricacies to Kenny’s death (and a more later mystery: Kenny being Mysterion), another source of inspiration has been depleted.

Now, they have one source of inspiration left, and that is ending it. Ending their creation is their last muse. How to end it would evoke all sorts of creative ideas (I am sure the episode was not the last), but right now they feel they are in a rut (as Sharon put it). South Park will always be their baby, but it does limit them when they have so other main platforms. Different platforms evoke different ideas. Look at their musicals and movies. “I’ve been afraid of changing, because I’ve built my life around you.”

The reference to the “tween years” made me think. They first said 2009 to 2012 and then 2009 to 2013. 2009 being the year that Obama first started, and current affairs got rapidly boring. But maybe they sense that is only a fluctuating cycle, and once the hype of 2012 ends, a new era will begin? We are in a very intermission, immature era right now – the tween era. Popular culture is at an all time low – so low that it cannot be spoofed. Conversely, people maximising the Internet are finding their own interests with YouTube and obscure bands, thereby going against the trends; this creates a distinction between trend followers and individuals like never before. However, I think I digress.

I found the use of the Stevie Nicks song, with Trey previously saying he hates her, as simply a counter argument: we may satire so many things, such as Stevie Nicks, but we know something good in everything. And we like this song. We know it can be emotional.

Those two old characters were really peculiar, and I am surprise nobody has talked more about them. Did anyone else notice nobody talked to them throughout the entire episode? They were these observers. On the one hand I see them as saying that while M&T currently lack inspiration, they can still create jokes if they want to: while on the outside it differs, it’s essentially the same just “more and more ridiculous”. Queue them coming downstairs.

But, have a look at them. Holy f*cking sh*t. Is it me or does the skinny one resemble Trey and the bald one resemble Matt? The older one has that Jewish beard. I’m pretty sure Trey and Matt are voicing them respectively as well. “You’re getting too old.” Is this them drawn old? What they fear they will become if they let South Park drag on, becoming so ridiculous, tired and resorting to obtuse observations? Not sure if this was their intention at all, or if anyone agrees with me, but that’s how I’ll from henceforth construe it as. But I am certain they weren’t put there just “cause”. If you read Trey’s opinion on the Big Bang and the universe, if there’s one thing he despises is things happening just “cause”.

It must be noted how Trey Parker and Matt Stone are fans of Alan Watts, a Zen Buddhist and philosopher who has inspired me deeply. They have animated a couple of his lectures, such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OpDZ9tAho

The reason I bring this is up is because that nothing is permanent; change is inevitable. That is one of the key factors in the wisdom of Alan Watts. The more you try to resist change, the more it becomes hard. Like trying to swim in a current. And perhaps hanging onto South Park for too long. If Trey still remains inspired by Alan Watts, then I feel I know exactly where he is coming from. (Although I am unsure how old those animated videos are, and if Trey even cares about Alan Watts anymore, but I’d like to think he does).

CurseOfTheChozo wrote:And reason #2 kinda leads back to why this episode upset me (in a good way): It reminded me of the finite amount of time we have. Not in life as a whole (as I have always been aware of that), but in particular 'sections' of our own personal lives. I too grew apart from many of my childhood friends and interests going into teenhood. I grew apart from many of my teenhood friends and interests going into young adulthood. And I find myself now, like the show, in a transitional phase - where the once seemingly mundane concepts of a "career" and "settling down" and "starting a family" are no longer just concepts - they're real things that I actively desire. And while I won't delude myself into thinking that I'm in the emotional or psychological headspace for those RIGHT NOW, I AM finding myself looking forward to the day when I will be. And the innocent young child and the rebellious little teen sh*thead and the skeptical, sometimes cynical young adult that I have been are having, if not a hard time, then a WEIRD time trying to reconcile who I was then with who I am now years later and who I eventually want to and will become.


Very true. Not only did I conjure up the multitude of most likely false interpretations, it did strike me on a personal level. The message I got in my own feelings is how, now as a 22 year old, have been trying too long to hang on to teenage friendships which are primarily based on nostalgia. While nostalgia is enjoyable in moderate doses, it should not be the grounds for friendship. Or it won’t last forever. But upon further reflection, while I need to accept that friends will come and go as we enter, as you so rightly put it, ‘sections’ of our personal lives, so too will I simply bask in the present moment and make the most of it. Very Alan Watts esque.

I’d like to think that’s the last seven episodes where they are leading: to publicly announce they want to end it soon, they may make the most of the last seven.
It was a beautifully crafted episode and I congratulate anyone that took the opportunity to read my post. It needed to be addressed because lack of communication is stupid. We sensed this season that Matt and Trey have lose their muse, and they knew they had to, so rather than making mediocre episodes which results in verbatim attacks, they have simply gone on to say: “Look, guys. We can’t keep doing the same thing. We’re creative and we need to change and move on. South Park no longer inspires us. We know the past few episodes have been pretty sh*t. Nothing is permanent.”

Thank you for being there in all of my transitional phases, South Park. Thank you for growing with me.

Loved this post. Thanks for writing it.

I think it was pretty much dead-on for everything except the two old guys. I don't think they represent Matt/Trey, and that's a bit of a reach. Matt/Trey don't speak in southern accents. Nice idea, though.

As for how this episode affected me...it did hit me pretty hard. I realized that I just have no friends now...I became Stan. Shut myself off from my friends and the people I know...I started thinking everything is sh*tty and everything sucks...so people started thinking I'm sh*tty, and I suck.

But I'm not going to become a hermit or a recluse...I'm taking this bull by the horns and I'm going to get out of this emotional slump.

Yes, I know this thread isn't therapy but I'm just glad you shared your thoughts.

I said this before...this was an INCREDIBLE episode of South Park. It was brilliantly honest, touching, and depressing. "Because I'm unhappy!" was bonechilling.


Glad you enjoyed it. And yeah I know the idea relating to Matt/Trey is farfetched, but I didn't mean it was exactly them per se, just another alter ego creation -- like Stan and Kyle have been, and to a more recent extent Randy and Gerard. I don't think they were put in there just "cause".

On a sidenote, I enjoy how there have been a fair few posts now where it is like "Hey guys, did anyone else notice it might be about Matt and Trey?" Clearly they haven't read the 30+ pages. :P

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