*2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby kfgg » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:35 pm

This had some great moments. I just fear things. I can hope for the best but I can't stop the fear in my mind.

I gotta stop taking what people say so seriously and just get back to enjoying the show every week. It just seems I forgot how.

Heidi, Cartman. They have the right idea. Social media can be poisonous and people who leave it can be happier. I think that's a big part of it there. Was addressed by Kyle in Season 18. I hope that Heidi, Eric can stay together. They seem to be able to fuel each other.

Then we can go into Tweek, Craig. I know they make a lot of people happy. And I guess Tweek is at ease when he's around Craig. In real life, I myself am basically the same as Tweek. Twitching, paranoid, anxious. I can only dream of having that sense of calm again.

Stan, Kyle. I noticed Stan was happy with Kyle's speech like he used to be. I still after 13 years of this hope they can actually date. See above. When these two are together without any problems going on around them, they are at their best. Stan always has to force it with Wendy. Kyle is always irritated at Cartman or whatever. These two deserve more of what Tweek & Craig have. You know, being happy. Together. Not all angry, irritated. Just happy. They have been before. Now it just seems like they're just standing there while a bunch of crazy things happen and they get dragged apart.

Last few years, I can actually personally relate to Stan and the "everything is sh*t" thing. There's only a few exceptions, and it's at it's peak this year. I just feel so much in the world is going down the crapper.

Butters, Charlotte. I liked them. I really did. I like the Canadians in general. Couldn't expect that to last, especially with it's Skype nature but who knows.

PC Principal, he's just there now it seems. Not as extreme as last season.

The stuff I just went thru in this post keeps me awake at night. I wish I could just have some re assurance. I wish someone would understand me. I feel like a laughing stock. Oh well. Anyways, There's still the rest of this season and 3 more to go. So I guess I can have some hope.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby mario88 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:53 pm

i'll add some random thoughts: butters and charlotte will most likely be a couple again when the "gender war" is over, just like stan and wendy: the two girls only broke up with their boyfriends because of a sense of loyalty towards their gender. gerald will be a (more or less) important part of this season till the end, because this troll thing is central in this season's plot, but at this point it is clear to me that he got involved in something much bigger than him.

in spite of everything, i am sure that tweek and craig are not gay. they are best friends and do not give a sh*t if someone else considers them gay. in real life, they would stop being "a couple" as soon as they start having an interest in love relationships, around the age of 12 or 13.

with this episode, it is more than official that south park has taken a turn: it has become political and social satire, it's not a comedy show anymore. it was never a merely comic show to begin with, now they have pushed it much more towards the satire.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby DonaldSkunk » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:24 pm

kfgg wrote:Some questions answered, others not.

Too much focus on Gerald.

Someone in the writers room must be fixated on pee and crap porn.
i guess you missed that being a troll is worse than getting peed on.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby JamesPup » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:31 pm

I just noticed the Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit parodies in the episode. There is the troll named Dildo Shwaggins whose name sounds like Bilbo Baggins. Also how Gerald acted like Gollum when on the toilet with a glass of wine and the tablet by hissing and making a terrifying face. The flute playing by Shwaggins could be like from Tolkien too but I forget who did that. I know Bilbo smoked but a dwarf may have had a musical instrument and I think the elves would too. I'll have to rewatch to see if there are any other Tolkienism's I can catch.

P.S. Nall can you tell me what that flute music is from that Dildo Shawaggins plays? Is it from a movie or play or is it just random flute playing?
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby CharonDynami » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:45 am

nwt000 wrote:7.5/10
One more thing: Mysterion is not going to do anything about the gender war at South Park Elementary School either because Kenny, like every other boy at school besides Cartman, is part of the mindless and repulsive "Wieners Out" movement.
No more repulsive than the queef movement to most. I think it is hilarious and a good satire of other movements. You shouldn't be watching South Park if you are easily repulsed by dirty jokes.

I thought it was hilarious that so many people got shown up or had to pay for their crimes so far. When Sheila sat Gerald down I knew something gross was coming and Sheila would go with it. Poor Kyle and Ike having to witness their parents disgusting sex habits. It's always the most reserved that are the freakiest. Kyle trying to get Cartman to be the bad guy (which he always hated) and finding out he as a girlfriend who seems to genuinely like him.....I still don't trust Cartman though....but seeing a vagina...if that didn't reform him nothing will. I guess we'll have to wait and see. The girls being told by PC principal (who has always been terrible) that since they protested the boys have every right too. But this is America and sex stuff always gets attention and banned ("Awesome Times with Weapons" anyone?). In real life that sh*t wouldn't fly.

I'm intrigued about the Danish website service. Obviously the CEO is trying to say that people should only use it against trolls. But it will create super trolls or something who troll people that don't troll and probably SWAT them or something.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Big-Will » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:10 am

The could all be a reference to the upcoming movie Trolls, lol.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby triplemultiplex » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:35 am

Alight, I'll be the one to say it:
Why isn't Kyle circumcised?
:lol: :lol:

Kyle seems to have also lightened up on his total disgust about pee because his reaction to seeing his parents was much more subdued than one might expect based on that season 13 episode.
He's up to something by joining with this Wieners Out movement. I suspect he only joined the other boys to take them down from within.

The Danish trollfinder site; my first guess is people will start using it to troll each other IRL. In Real Life.
I know enough about the internets to understand that their technology is pure fantasy. A convenient plot device like a transporter. Never mind how it works, just accept it and let's continue the story. ;)

Fatass has me guessing. I feel like there is another very large shoe that will eventually drop. I'm not on his side yet even though we are clearly meant to identify with him and Heidi finding happiness by unplugging.

I am driving through Canada over the next few days, so I should totally rat out Butters to Charlotte. :wink: :roll: :lol:
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby BRMBug » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:16 am

I hope to God there's a "Wieners Out" option for the avatar builder soon. :lol: :lol: :lol: I laughed so hard at that reveal, even though I spoiled it by looking at twitter before I watched the ep. I also laughed a little harder than I should've at Gerald trying to scramble up the rocks by that bridge. In fact, I think I laughed harder at this episode than I had at any of the ones in the previous couple of seasons.
Also Gerald & Sheila... :shock: Holy hell, that's... that's a lot of woman. Also... ewwwwwwwwww... golden showers & ass eating are two things I just don't get, but I guess everyone has their 'thing'. And poor Ike & Kyle, having to see that. :( :mad: Why the hell do Gerald & Sheila practice the open-door policy? God-damn!
Dildo Schwaggins had me giggling too. Not just the name, but I've seen too many people come into the store that fit that description to a T. XD And then he was trying to lure Gerald out with a friggin' flute? :lol: I can't wait to see what's going to happen next week with the meeting of the rotund table.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby kfgg » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:14 pm

It would be less funny if they didn't leave the door open and have Ike standing there in shock. It's a repeated joke like Mr. UPs Man...
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby nall » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:51 pm

JVM wrote:I don't think the National Anthem clip was ever part of the episode
It was not.
mario88 wrote:i'll add some random thoughts: butters and charlotte will most likely be a couple again when the "gender war" is over
Maybe. It might be tough given how far away they live. (And no, I don't have any inside knowledge here.)
mario88 wrote:in spite of everything, i am sure that tweek and craig are not gay. they are best friends and do not give a sh*t if someone else considers them gay. in real life, they would stop being "a couple" as soon as they start having an interest in love relationships, around the age of 12 or 13.
No, actually, I think Clyde is Craig's best friend.
triplemultiplex wrote:Alight, I'll be the one to say it:
Why isn't Kyle circumcised?
I think the designs are just such that you can't really tell who is or is not.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby kfgg » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:31 pm

Tweek & Craig is a hard one. They made it out to be at the end "Ok let's be gay together so people are not sad" a year ago. So that gives you the impression that they may or may not be. I don't care either way. Maybe they developed a close friendship having to do that, or maybe they are just totally gay, whatever that's not my focus.

There's more to this show than gay, straight relationships between the characters and I have had appreciation for both (obviously) Believe it or not, I'm as worried about Heidi & Eric a I am Stan & Kyle and things are fine. They could be better. They could get better. Or they could get worse and I'd be screwed like last year. That's a big part of it for me but it's not all of it....

There's also the rest of the show. I love this show. I have since I was 10, in 1997. The continuation thing kinda bothers me. This may or may not be the Tweek x Craig of Season 20. The reason I said that is because that was the only one last season that seemed to step away from the theme of the rest of the season to some extent.

Nobody seems to understand where I'm coming from. But I am not one to just flat out give up on something.

There's one thing that can be said here. They literally flashed a bunch of animated ding dongs, wieners, whatever at everybody on basic cable. So congrats on that.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby Big-Will » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:46 pm

JVM wrote:I noticed the preview shot with Heiman in Kyle's Room wasn't included in the final cut.
That was probably moved to the school hallways so we don't get the wrong idea. ;) :lol:
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JVM wrote: He obviously wants to desecrate Kyle's safe space by losing his virginity in Kyle's bed. "Just remember this next time you need to take a nap."
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby mario88 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:31 am

DonaldSkunk wrote:
kfgg wrote:Some questions answered, others not.

Too much focus on Gerald.

Someone in the writers room must be fixated on pee and crap porn.
i guess you missed that being a troll is worse than getting peed on.
it is, but only by a small margin. :mrgreen:
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby JVM » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:57 am

in spite of everything, i am sure that tweek and craig are not gay. they are best friends and do not give a sh*t if someone else considers them gay. in real life, they would stop being "a couple" as soon as they start having an interest in love relationships, around the age of 12 or 13.
They're not best friend, and they have already given enough of a sh*t to pretend to be a couple to begin with.

I see this argument all the time against various couples, including Stan/Wendy, and it's kind of ridiculous to me. People always want to subvert the show's canonical relationships because when they become older, it seems inevitable they'll break up. That's not necessarily incorrect, per se, but South Park is a show about children. The only aspects of the characters the average viewer will value is that which appears on-screen, so while it makes more logical sense for them to marry people we've never met in twenty years, as long as they are children, the relationships we see are the ones that matter most, and as long as the kids take them seriously, so should viewers, since that's half of the show's humor.

Basically, if we only ever see Craig and Tweek as 10-year-olds, does it really matter if they find out when they're 14, they're not gay? Not really.
Nall wrote:No, actually, I think Clyde is Craig's best friend.
This always seemed the case to me. They're more often together than either is with anyone else, at least when the scenes have dialogue and they aren't being thrown in by animators. "Skank Hunt" kind of proves to me this is still the case now - Tweek's nowhere to be seen but Craig still hangs with his usual gang, separately.
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Re: *2004: Wieners Out* Post-Air Discussion

Postby mario88 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:15 am

I simply think you can't become gay or straight, you are born the way you are and that's it. And since neither Tweek nor Craig have shown any signs of being gay before they were kind of pushed into a gay relationship, I think they simply adapted to the situation in the eyes of the people. The day i see them kiss each other I will say: "OK, I was wrong, they are actually gay". I don't think I am forcing a theory against what it is shown: again, have they ever kissed? No. And you can't tell me it's because they're 4th graders, since we have already seen kisses in South Park.

You may say of course that simply because they haven't kissed, that doesn't imply they are not gay. Sure, but on the other hand, without that proof you can't tell me i am pushing a theory against the evidence, either.

The show itself seems to tell, at least to me, that they have simply become best friends, although they let people think they are a couple. Tweek is a sensitive child and he found a friend in Craig, who helped him believe in himself. Craig responded positively to this request of friendship.
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