*2010: The End of Serialization As We Know It* Post-Air Thread

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*2010: The End of Serialization As We Know It* Post-Air Thread

Postby nall » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:37 am

/~o It's the end of serialization as we know, and I feel fine... o~/
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Postby kfgg » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:49 am

This went fine. My TV went out, likely because of the weather, thankfully I was able to finish up online using the AT&T app. Ironic...

Cool to see Sparky again

Anyway next year..,
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Postby jamespuppolo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:13 am

The cum mining was funny. I wonder why people didn’t’ like it as much as it sounds like it would be cool. It was kind of weird that Cartman who is like 10, would have his cum milked and put into a girl’s vagina or older girls. I wonder if that idea turns chicks on? Men writing jokes was kind of sad as women can be funny I think. But Cartman is so right as men really just love funny women as when they talk about their boobies and pussies. Man, that gets me hard.

Now there is use of a Celtic cross which some white hate groups use and the clock in Gerald’s home office was 88.1 which is a code with just the 88 as Heil Hitler. I kind of like it and would like to see this type of thing continued in episodes for fun.

Kyle trolling like pops was nice. Seeing him talk to Token and then later Jimmy about how to pick on certain groups seemed extra mean. I can see that Token would know just what to say to piss blacks off. It showed that the youth don’t see racism the way adults do or are not old enough for it. I think if time had permitted, there should have been to have the reactions of people showing that the trolling Kyle did really struck a chord. Seeing people all pissed off would have been better.

Sheila getting out of the panty got me to squirm as she is too loud and acts like she will commit a violent act. I do love Betty doing Ike’s voice and she should stay doing voice acting with the show. It is so cute.

I caught the DOOM video game references. I could see them a mile away and could tell with the first DOOM reference scenes level that it was from the level where you put the toxic proof environmental suit on. The Red switches were a dead giveaway also.

It had some James Bond too with Gerald going undercover as a Danish worker to use the switches. Also Lennard was in a helicopter which could be like a Blofeld scene or is just a classic villain escape in general. The last of Lennard is on a bridge which again is like trolls and is an ironic finish for a troll to meet his end on a bridge. I liked the joke of nihilist V. satirist but Gerald was a jerk but Lennard did try to kill millions. Both are kind of assh*les. The kick to the balls was cheap and I guess Gerald deserved to joke last saying he is funny, oh well. Kind of shocking Gerald murdered someone, not many characters have on the show.

The energy ball Heidi creates is like a sun which felt sweet somehow that a girl made one. I felt bad that she said her loving boyfriend helped her be smart as Cartman was out to hurt her and other women. Cartman really thinks men are funny but at least he sees that women can be smart. There was no shock of Heidi finding out Cartman didn’t like her. Instead their relationship is still ongoing but seems to still be falling apart. Cartman has made the point he doesn’t want kids. Maybe we will see this revisited to show that Heidi will leave Cartman over her want of children and see Cartman isn’t able to be a father.

We get to see Ike’s internet history but it was too fast and so getting to take some time to read each post will be fun and also there was a second that shows a little of Gerald’s history. I guess we were lied to as Sheila never found out Gerald was the troll but now the kids and the trolls have that over him.

I didn’t think Craig’s dad would have online girlfriends. That family is falling apart. Al least now her hairy bush videos are gone from the web.

So with Cartman having SpaceX overloading the internet and there having to be a new internet it was great that the first e-mail sent was of a guy’s penis and calling someone a fag to some douche in Connecticut. God Connecticut people are such fags.

The scene with Garrison and the member berries all like Star Wars storm troopers from The Force Awakens was cool. I can see where this will come in handy with what next year will have to bring to the table.

Cartman’s words of “Some people’s dreams are other people’s nightmares” seemed like a quote from a movie but I can’t find it. Still it felt like the ending remarks from a action movie. There was no real Mars visit but we may see it in another episode.
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Postby Female345 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:17 am

It was a decent finale and I hope that next season the show will go back to stand alone episodes, unless it's part of a trilogy or two parter.
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Postby Big-Will » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:09 am

Well that was refreshing. :) Now, as to the seven items I mentioned a few days ago:

- Memberberries evil plot (!)

They are there, front and center, waiting for the President's orders.

- Garrissn as president

This one will continue beyond this seasons, barring any unfortunate events for Trump.

- Denmark's evil plot

Blown to bits after Gerald throws Lennart Bedrager off the catwalk.

- Cartman/Haidi love story

Still on. She sensed his distance from her, but nothing more.

- Tension between boys and girls as South Park elementary

We'll see next season. With the Internet reset, it's a clean slate.

- The troll.

Close, but no cigar. Kyle and Cartman killed two birds with one stone here.

- Butters issues, Hillary's plot to milk all the males for their semen

Gone with the old Internet.
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Postby mario88 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:12 am

in case someone is wondering what was there on that page of gerald's internet history (and I know you are), here it is:


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Postby VACOOLA » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:20 am

The new Internet? SRSLY?!! Whatever happened to the old one, i.e. the giant router in the cave from "Over Logging"? Did they destroy it? Was it replaced with a new one? Maybe Kyle should have just unplugged it and then plugged it back in one more time to save the day. Maybe it wouldn't have taken him 10 GODDAMN EPISODES to do that!

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Re: *2010: The End of Serialization As We Know It* Post-Air Thread

Postby nall » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:55 am

The episode is now online for anyone that didn't catch it.
jamespuppolo wrote:I didn’t think Craig’s dad would have online girlfriends. That family is falling apart. Al least now her hairy bush videos are gone from the web.
Was it explicitly stated that he actually had girlfriends? I thought it was just that was viewing porn and looking at dating websites.

(Are there other reasons you say that family is falling apart, or just that one?)
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Postby JVM » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:29 am

Once again, I'm back with trivial fan commentary on "South Park"!

The crux of the story is essentially down to Heidi discovering a powerful energy source that has the power that it could drive mankind to Mars, and simultaneously, everybody else discovers a flaw in TrollTrace's servers that could shut it down - if they overload it completely, the whole thing can and will blow, otherwise the entire world will fall into the same chaos we saw a few weeks ago in "Fort Collins", leading to wars and destruction, etc. As a result, the disparate causes of Kyle, Gerald, Garrison, etc. all come together in an even stronger way than we saw in the last two season finales.

We get a lot of beautiful cameos as Kyle seems to rally the kids of the town to help out in resolving the crisis, and obviously, it's great to see the boys back to work where they belong. Kenny finally snatched his long-awaited line of the season, and in the very same moment, my boy Kevin Stoley gets a line, too! There's some good jokes around as Kyle consults Jimmy, Token, Tweek and Craig for some offensive humor. Might've been nice to throw in David to tie back to last season a hair... also, a new location for Kyle to do his trolling. Surprised he didn't try the School Computer Lab, heh.

The Danish and the Trolls team up at the realization of Lennart's actions and Dildo Schwaggins delivers a nice speech to Kyle that does feel like we're moving a little full circle, but the show stops short of pointing out that Kyle is embracing bigotry to accomplish what's accomplishing and stepping closer to his father and Cartman, but this ethical question ties over to Gerald and Lennart Bedrager's confrontation. The two debate over what does and doesn't constitute satire versus provocation, and who is the real master troll.

Like last week, the debate over what constitutes satire seems to lend to my original thesis, which I predicted months ago, that while S19 satirized political correctness, neoliberalism and the contemporary left, this season would focus on modern conservatism and what we now call the alt-right movement. Matt and Trey do admit to some similiarities in the ideas, which is more than many might do, and the struggle feels somewhat real. They neglect to comment directly on the ethics, but Gerald's fake-out "I'm f*cking funny" at least makes for a solid defeat for our villain

Cartman and Heidi's relationship has survived the season, as has the woman herself, without much of a scratch. Heidi will hopefully continue to maintain a presence on South Park, at least until Matt and Trey decide to break them up for story purposes. It was certainly nice that Butters and Cartman became allies and didn't just fall into a love triangle. Tying Bill Clinton's vision to Mars was an interesting move... but truthfully, I didn't care much about the details for them the last three weeks, just to see whether or not they would be okay. The entire Mars thing felt like it should've stayed a joke, honestly.

Where will Cartman go from here? I have no idea. I don't think any SP fan has been as fond of the 'new' Cartman as I am, but it's hard to say if this is back to the basics for him. Has his jealousy lead him back to normal? Will misogynism take the place of his anti-semitism? How will FBW be informed by and inform these developments? I'm excited for the prospects of his relationship with Heidi continuing, and where she will lead. I'm going to try to be optimistic for the future here.

It was a ballsy move for TrollTrace to go live in-universe, even for a brief period, and it's clear some people's dirty details came out. I'm not sure the Tuckers were the best choice for the marital difficulties - it was so nice to hear from Laura, but in "The Magic Bush", their re-introduction, we see her advocating for her privacy, and Thomas is quite protective toward her. Their relationship's seemed a close one - so it's a little sad that Thomas seems intent on cheating on her. It almost feels as if they were sacrificed to protect the Broflovski family... The characters are also so outside the main boys' circle this'll probably never be addressed again...

[rewatch update: they're seen smiling at each other after TrollTrace goes offline. So... what? This is why Matt and Trey need to hire me. I can figure sh*t like that out for them in a snap.]

Sheila's been back to being the long-fabled 'big fat bitch' after a decade and a half off that saddle, but I've not much to say about that except I'm not pleased that the reset saved her husband from her wrath. Gerald deserved a personal response to his actions, especially given how it affected the town around him, but all is forgiven. It's a mulligan.

Mr. Garrison is now Mr. President, and it seems he'll be staying that way, with some help from the Member Berries. These balls are in the air, and I imagine will remain as such for four years or more. I can't fault Matt and Trey, but I was slightly hoping the real President-elect would take his place. All that said, with Matt and Trey's penchant for globe-trotting 'the world is at stake' stories, it'll be nice to have a familiar face in the higher office of government. I will be curious in the future how this may effect the show and much real world politics may inform it.

That shot of the Marsh family together was f*cking beautiful - there just aren't words. It's only the second time in the show's history we've seen all of them together, and even Sparky's back after a long hiatus. I think we should try to be pleased at how well Matt and Trey handled them this season. A lot of fans were becoming upset that Randy was 'taking over' the show, but while he's remained prominent, he hasn't forced himself into these last three or so episodes the way he might've done a few years back. Kudos, Trey.

Let's look back on the structure - I really think some of last week, for the Broflovski, should've been collapsed into this week. "Members Only" ends on a really strong, effective and suspenseful note as Kyle and Ike escape and Sheila exclaims her old catchphrase.... yet last week, they get caught by Sheila again, and have to re-escape twice... this episode then has her escaping again, and going to search for them, while they go somewhere else. I dunno. I would've just had Kyle and Ike looking for more computers last week, and Sheila beginning her search, although I guess the chaos of TrollTrace going live wouldn't have held up.

Let's go broader. Does this episode resolve any of the plotlines first introduced in "Member Berries"? None of them. The member berries, like the ads, are still out there and still in power. Garrison's presidential campaign succeeded despite his interests elsewhere. Skankhunt42's identity remains hidden and undisclosed to the public. While Kyle opines that maybe now boys and girls can respect each other, the Gender War doesn't seem officially resolved and given it was triggered by Skankhunt42 to begin with, there seems little reason to end it, unless we assume Gerald is hanging his account up for good. We don't know that for sure, either.

In that sense, those initial plot bullets feel a little forgotten. The first three or four episodes follow a fairly logical course, and I would put "Douche and a Danish" being the first episode to alter that tension, drawing back emphasis on the kids and the school in favor of Gerald and his trolls up against the TROLLTRACE program, Garrison's presidential candidacy being part of the main plot itself, and Cartman and Heidi's romantic life. We then have "Aw, Jeez" as other big point, as Matt and Trey obviously weren't betting on a Trump victory. Ultimately though, the tension has shifted considerably from those first three episodes to this final run.

Now, what the f*ck does this all mean? The central theme of the season is nostalgia, but it manifests in ways that the narrative hasn't called together all at once. "Douche and a Danish" discusses the relationship between the member berries and the presidential campaign, and how nostalgia informs both of these - just as we want movies that make us feel good for 'membering, we want a presidential candidate that helps us 'member the good times - a big man to keep us safe, as Randy describes it. This relates to the trolling plot though - Gerald wants to go back to what it was like to be a kid, and this is connected to his own sense of nostalgia.

A key flaw throughout the season is while the show questions the ethics of trolling and satire itself, and women remain a running theme, the show continues to keep focus on it's dominant personalities. I have almost always given the show a pass on stuff like this over the last nine years - but "Skank Hunt" in particular results in a severely undermined narrative. Annie Knitts, a background character for twenty years, promises that girls in South Park won't be afterthoughts anymore - a promise that goes unheeded, as Heidi and Sheila become the only major female characters in a season that focuses on men questioning their relationships with women.

I'm not trying to play the feminism card, I'm really not. I love this show the same as I always have, and I've forgiven it before and will again - but in a season that has rested it's original central conflict on how female characters are being abused and trolled, and are becoming sick of being ignored, that has "Women are sick of our sh*t" as a running point, it does feel like a step backwards that only two of South Park's female characters are utilized in a meaningful way, and their experiences are again filtered through how they effect the male characters, and even in a more abstract way, for all of the talk of trolling, we only see a tiny slice of it.

Maybe it's an intentional gambit, sort of like how we never see crack babies play basketball in "Crack Baby Athletic Association" - but that was also a single, regular episode. That trick isn't so effective for a ten-episode season though.

I will conclude my critique by discussing stuff that happened this season that I predicted or suggested in the past:
- As mentioned, I predicted a focus on conservatism this season in light of last year's focus on political correctness.
- Based on "Follow That Egg!", I've been advocating Cartman/Heidi for ten years and always argued it would be a good source of development for Cartman.
- There's no way to make this sound professional. Seeing Kevin and Red together was *amazing*.
- In a story a few years back, I introduced a program with the Park County Police called SOFA (in name, a parody of the SOPA act) that allowed them to look through South Park residents' internet histories freely. Not the same as TrollTrace, especially since it was more of a public surveillance parody, but...
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It was kind of weird that Cartman who is like 10, would have his cum milked and put into a girl’s vagina or older girls. I wonder if that idea turns chicks on?
No, that does not turn anyone on.
Was it explicitly stated that he actually had girlfriends? I thought it was just that was viewing porn and looking at dating websites.

(Are there other reasons you say that family is falling apart, or just that one?)
She only mentions outright seeing three married-but-dating websites and a lot of porn hits. She asks Sheila if she's sure Gerald doesn't have any girlfriends, but nothing confirms that Thomas actually has any. Considering most of the men implied last week they had Ashley Madison accounts though, it's hard to say whether his situation is as unique as it may sound. If this were reality, I wouldn't argue for his behalf, but the South Park universe seems to lean that most men are like that.

As mentioned above, on a rewatch, Laura and Thomas look to be reconciled in a big crowd scene.
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Postby djdomain » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:05 am

Hoping that the title reflects M&T deciding to not write another season as one ongoing storyline. Please go back to half-season runs with a mix of 'current events' and 'kids being kids', and not developing a taste for Turd Sandwiches. Seriously, having Mr Garrison as a Trump parody is possible comedic gold, but not when it has no relation to the real thing, suggesting that Trump didn't really want to win wasn't funny, it was pandering to a political demographic. The president stank faces in the post election episodes is good though.
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Postby zzyzx 2 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:26 am

djdomain wrote:Hoping that the title reflects M&T deciding to not write another season as one ongoing storyline.
I, too, was hoping for that. But I think "The End of Serialization As We know It" refers only to the end of Season 20's serialization. The memberberries are in the White House, awaiting Garrison's commands. I thought not so much energy was needed to get the essence of mankind to Mars, as the "essence" is being stored in containers. The men of the species aren't needed on Mars, only their essence. SpaceX needs a lot less energy for transport than we've been led to believe.

I believe for the next two seasons under this current contract between M&T and Comedy Central, that each season's 10 episodes will sadly be their own unique serializations :(

We might see another ball game, and some people will not stand (as in 2001). It will all be based on how the Trump presidency goes on (good or bad) for the next 39 weeks of South Park's hiatus.

I wonder how Season 20 would have ended if indeed the giant douche lost the election in favor of Mrs. Sandwich :?:
We probably would't have seen the return of Mr. Slave.

Whether the town reboots after "You're Getting Old," or after the town was destroyed by Mega-Streisand, or even Kenny dying one week and coming back (without any explanation) the next week, South Park ALWAYS reboots, as if nothing had ever happened. Here's to an internet with a clean slate and yet again, South Park will once more be starting over!

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Postby JVM » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:41 am

The title is puzzling. I'm hopeful SP returns to the 'serialized lite' model of S18 and S19, rather than the more fully serialized format of S20. As I've covered elsewhere, you don't need to watch most of S18 or S19 in order for it to make sense, and the multi-parters at the end create an illusion they were all cohesive when they never were.
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Postby mario88 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:41 am

I'm pretty sure most of the people who visited sites like ashleymadison at least once in their life haven't actually used their services. I mean, who in this world isn't curious enough to not give a glimpse at those sites? Internet has become a space where many people explore their fantasies, but like some sort of extension of our imagination. It makes sense that a woman like Laura overreacts at first and it only makes sense that she and her husband later make up. They are a very solid couple.

I gotta be honest, I didn't enjoy this season very much overall. Of the three serialized seasons, the only one with a decent balance of continuity and episodes with their own plot is the 19th. If I had to give votes, it would be 4 for season 18, 8.5 for season 19, 6 for this one. And only season 19 has at least one episode that I would mention in my personal list of top episodes (Tweek and Craig).

The member berries were a brilliant idea though.
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Postby ThatAlaskanDude » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:11 am

Man gotta admit the last episode did have me on the edge of my seat. I was dying to know how it will end and honestly I'm glad it ended the way it did. I thought Cartman would end up screwing his relationship over (surprised it didn't).

I was pretty pissed that Gerald managed to get away with all the trolling he did. I hope he learns from the whole experience though.

Though I wonder if Cartman will go back to his old self. Maybe he'll stay the way he is for Heidi (though that might be short lived) or Heidi will keep him in check. Either way I don't think their relationship will last.

Also it really sucks that Kenny and Stan were background characters for half the season. I missed it when the four go on misadventures

Lastly I wished South Park would go back to doing episodic stories and not ones that span an entire season. Every episode was an adventure and in my opinion it's hasn't been the same for me since season 18.
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Postby kfgg » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:08 pm

Had to re-DVR this because of the sudden outage in the middle of the show.

Noticed Ike is into modern obnoxious pop music. They did their research on this one.

Meghan Trainor - Me Too
Taylor Swift - Blank Space
Shawn Mendes - Stitches (Canadian)
Demi Lovato - Confident

E-Mails his family
Tweets his friends

And plays way too many online games.

With Trey's daughter Betty voicing him this season, this is by far the most swearing he's been allowed to do in the past 19 years.

Heidi really does like Eric. Hopefully they can stick around together.

Didn't know a shipping store had public internet or computer. Never seen such a thing. Why didn't he just go to the library? Maybe the lack of webcams or something.

I'm relieved the season is over without any agony, but as always I'll miss it.
That said, I can relax a little now and just be happy for the crew there. They put together another season, 3 months under pressure and can finally get some sleep.

Now with Trump about ready to cause a lot misery, I'm sure they'll have plenty of material thru 2019.
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