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*2107: Doubling Down* Post-Air Discussion

Postby nall » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:52 am

Alright, shippers... will the ship sink or rise?
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Postby kfgg » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:48 am

I think Heidi has gained an understanding of how Cartman feels when all the girls started messing with her.

Another forced and short lived relationship for Kyle so it seems.

And I did catch the Dumbo reference
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Postby JamesPolo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:12 am

The episode was all about Cartman and Heidi’s dating. I know I was not sure if I wanted it anymore but over the last week it did make me want more. I really think that Heidi will be a big focus now in the show. She is in every new episode and I’d compare her to Butters as the new 5th friend. I wonder how ratings are doing because if their fine or up, I’d say that’s a good indicator that Heidi is working out. This may be a new age of South Park, will it be called the Heidi age?

The vegan joke I get now. I’d seen the second press image and didn’t know what beyond is, but they have that good in the produce aisle or something with burgers. I just forget like everything. I was happy they didn’t show Heidi real fat, but I think people could have handled it. It reminded me of when Butters ended up all fat and he needed a liposuction. Still it was somewhat funny to see her belly hurt. I guess the new gimmick is for Cartman to pick on Heidi all the time as she doesn’t get it like butters used to be.

I liked seeing Heidi angry like Carman gets and she was so at Kyle. I can’t really think that a girl can get angry as I find it too cute. I think some people would say she was real angry and has that side, but I just find it hot.

It was a fun, I guess a fourth wall break in a way, when Kyle said it felt like we all were going out with Cartman. It has felt like that as I do think of how Heidi is doing in the relationship, so it does feel like that some as I put myself in her shoes.

It was nice to see Mitch McConnell as he is new to South Park and I think also were Mike Pence and Paul Ryan. The episode had Mike Pence the real Vice President and so Jenner is probably out. Kind of gross that they were anal raped. I recently read of Charlie Sheen had raped a 13-year-old boy onset of a movie in the 80’s and so that scene felt brutal.

The member berries were shown, maybe we will see more? There was a hint of something to come with Garrison’s societal psychology statement and that he knows how to control people’s minds. Any guesses if we do see a little continuity of what the societal psychology is? I would think reinstating the member berries but what else?

People will be happy like South Al of the gender wars was mentioned and it was still on which got me. Had a nice sexist look inside vaginas joke too by Kyle.

I was hurt that Kyle found he liked Heidi and was prepared to continue watching as a Jew stole a true white person’s women. I can understand most men are dogs and if they hear how cool a girl is from one of their friends, they will try so hard to steal her and sleep with her too, I’ve seen it happen.

The Cartman making fun a Heidi for being fat was okay humor, but she didn’t show, and I was still kind of hurt that he would do that but maybe it is just a lover joking around think. It could be Cartman play fighting as a cute thing to do. It didn’t seem so bad to Heidi. The drums joke made it look like a gynecologist tool and I wasn’t sure what was happening. Weird as a couple of days ago I was web searching for porn like that.

Cartman at Token’s house was fun, and Token had dated Wendy, so it covered the bases of who the girls after a breakup rebound too. The burn the flag and riot jokes were okay. When Cartman found out about Heidi, he had an anger dream of rage of like Disney movies. I think I caught Dumbo and the Little Mermaid. Then Cartman tries to beat up Kyle which hurt as Cartman lost but later Heidi goes back to Cartman after a girl’s night out at Buca’s Italian restaurant. Buca’s is okay, some of the food tastes like Mexican food. It’s too expensive for me also and the drinks are not ones I like that much. It seems the other girls are happy single, but Heidi felt in her heart she was right for dating Cartman. I guess she believes in true love.

It was nice to see Heidi tell off Kyle and say she is Irish and hint that Kyle is a sneaky dirty Jew. It was that Cartman must have told her all the racist stuff he knows at the park. That part for me was so funny. I think we will have lots of Cartman/Heidi in the future now. There are a lot of possibilities with Heidi being racist and gaining other Cartman like qualities. I know I had mentioned it in the past and so I’m happy for the idea to be explored.

I’ll give the episode a 9/10. This episode reaffirmed Heiman is here to stay with fun future possibilities.
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Re: *2107: Doubling Down* Post-Air Discussion

Postby SouthAl93 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:14 am

nall wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:52 am
Alright, shippers... will the ship sink or rise?
Looks like Heiman continues to rise but the current fate of the other straight couples at schools like Token & Nicole and Kevin & Red remains unknown.
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Postby Big-Will » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:20 am

I derided someone a couple of months ago, saying he hoped Heiman would end up being The Joker and Harley Quinn. Now it looks like we're headed there, considering how some fans have viewed Heidi as a female version of Cartman ever since "Marjorine." Ever since they got together last year, other fans have been wondering if Cartman is playing the long con on Heidi. Well, the season ain't over yet, and we just might have ourselves a little Game of Thrones of our own here.

With Garrison and his advieors in the picture, we have
Heidi = Tramp's men and his supporters
Cartman = Trump
The comparisons begin with Heidi and Paul Ryan saying the same line, "He's great. We're doing great."
And they're in an abusive relationship in which the abuser tells the abused what they want to hear, and the abused doubles down when told they made a mistake going out with / electing the abuser. Instead of admitting error, the abused doubles down on the perceived good qualities they find in the abuser.
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Postby 2coolhipdude » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:58 am

Did Trey and Matt take a couple weeks off? Is this the first sign of them handing off the reigns to the staff? Honestly, this has to be the first episode that I didn't laugh once. I maybe smirked a little during the Token scene, but too little, too late.

2/10 (Yes, that would be the lowest rated episode from me. So far,)
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Postby Stanluv25 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:19 am

Wow, this was pretty bad. As mentioned above, I don't think I laughed once in this episode. Not only were the jokes lame and flat but there just didn't seem to be many of them. It was just stuff happening. People talking but nothing remotely funny. The only thing I smirked at was the 'Elephants on Parade' reference. But this episode made me simply dislike Heidi. First she was this girl that was dating Cartman for whatever reason, here she proved to be weak-minded and allow Cartman to manipulate her even when they broke up. Anyone who knows Cartman would know he would 'blame the Jew' for their break-up and would say 'screw you' to Cartman when he told her it was Kyle's fault. Poor Kyle just wanted Heidi to open her eyes and ends up being the better person for her for a short time before she breaks it off because Cartman is a manipulative ass. Now we are just going to have the same recurring joke of the horrible Cartman/Heidi relationship in the next episodes, something that was never really funny to begin with. They kept saying things like 'Cartman is really sweet/good when we're together' and I was bracing for them to actually explain why Heidi thinks this. SOME reason why they are still together. But it's just that Cartman is a manipulative ass who whines about her until she forgives and forgets? It doesn't make sense.
Don't get me started on the Garrison stuff either. All went over my head.

Disappointing episode felt like a waste of space since the seasons are shorter now, and this season has been pretty good so far. Something I feel didn't need to take up an entire episode to explain. Rant over. 1/10
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Postby mario88 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:39 am

this episode has showed to the fullest the darker tone that south park has been having for a couple of years. my vote is 9/10. this show can't be judged as a comedy anymore: it isn't, not anymore. in my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to say: "it didn't make me laugh, so it was a bad episode", because make people laugh is not what south park aims to at this point.

it would be like saying that "the professional" wasn't a good movie cause it didn't make you burst into laughter. sure, of course one may not like it, and may consider it bad, but certainly not because it doesn't make people laugh. like it or not, south park has changed.

cartman's psychology is quite simple actually: he has no boundaries, cause the authoritative figure he confronts with, his mother, lets him do anything he wants.

kyle can't stand to see immoral things happen and do nothing, it's his nature. i guess that's the reason why cartman hates him: he's a judging eye constantly upon him.

and what the authors tell us about trump is quite obvious, too: he's a cartman, although starting from a different origin, so to speak ("i'm rich, i can do anything i want"). that's why they shifted from cartman to trump.

nobody thought heidi was worth a fight against cartman, except kyle.

what the girls do is quite obvious, too, that is isolate heidi for breaking a non-written "pact": never consider a guy like cartman a potential love interest.

destroy one individual to protect the pack, to protect themselves: never ever even think of falling for a guy like cartman.

so if someone thinks their way of acting after the break-up was gratuitous: no, it wasn't. kyle understood heidi, but not why the girls acted like that, otherwise he would't have simply asked them to stop.

it was a great episode, but it is still kind of incomplete, it needs a second part. i can't wait to see kyle's reaction.

plus,i want to see how the trump/cartman parallel pans out. because i think that the ultimate goal of matt&trey is to show what is happening at a societal level through what happens to the protagonists of the show.
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Postby Det. Sandy Vagina » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:40 pm

What was the point of this if they were just gonna bring them back together again? These 22 minutes could have been used for something timeless and funny, but instead they just continue the same story only to reset it anyway. That's not to say it was bad, I'd just prefer when episodes focus on a different and unique plot rather than this relationship. Also the scene when Kyle enters the gymnasium is literally a deleted scene from season 20. And Bebe sounded weird.
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Postby Sgt. Sarge » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:32 pm

Now this episode opened up a lot of opportunities.

Heidi is now being educated by Cartman and Kyle is developing feelings for Heidi. This from a atypical story arc would normally go either two ways, either Heidi will be saved at the end thanks to Kyle or Heidi will fall down with Cartman. There are only three episodes left so they have plenty of space to continue this either next week or though out the month.

I also want to throw in the possibility of the alternative rout for the Cartman/ Heidi plot, the one were Heidi become so much like Cartman that it ends up fulfilling the prophesy of Cartman ends up being abused in the relationship and then nobody will believe him cause he's been crying wolf this whole season.

7.5/ 10 good episode
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Postby JamesPolo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:34 pm

I'll admit the episode did lack big laughs and wasn't as funny as I'd like an episode to be. I think the Cartman joking on Heidi is more for play fighting or at least it comes off that way. Its like when it was done to Butters or someone else by Cartman, it really hurt people or at least for me it felt real mean. But with Cartman acting the way he does, when he is mean to Heidi, it seems watered down and ineffective. I felt like giving the episode a high review for the ending as I want to see Heidi take on Cartman like traits. I think it will be fun to see Heidi act like Cartman and to see the reaction from people on the show. I've read that the Garrison rape jokes are getting old and I kind of felt like that too. I'll admit this season and last has been a lot about Cartman and Heidi. Its not really a couple I find that funny all the time. I'd like to see Heidi get hurt once and a while. Girls on the show seem to be protected from meanness and so if Heidi is to be a normal character she should suffer and it should be funny. Like her getting real fat from eating too much KFC or her needing to go to the emergency room for surgery would have been better I think or at least for future episodes. I like the idea of Heidi and Cartman as a couple and the cuteness there but I want Cartman to hurt people. So I think it would be fun to have Heidi and Cartman team up to hurt people and Heidi and Cartman can hurt each other and get hurt by others. Heidi seems only prone to emotional abuse and I want physical abuse too. I know it is abusing women but it just fits the comedy arc of the show better.
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Postby Big-Will » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:55 pm

JamesPolo wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:34 pm
I think the Cartman joking on Heidi is more for play fighting or at least it comes off that way.
No, he wasn't play-fighting, not after he made her eat KFC and Arby's food, which are not vegan. He was making a joke out of her feeling bloated, even as he walked her to the nurse's office.
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What was the point of this if they were just gonna bring them back together again?
To show that Cartman can't stand to lose to Kyle, so he'd rather be in a relationship with Heidi to get back at Kyle than to just leave her be. Heidi is just a tool to him now.
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Postby James--76 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:50 pm

Decent enough not a laugh out loud episode actually quite dark in places,hope Mr Garrison is back at South Park Elementary by end of the season. 3 more episodes to go nice cameo from the Member Berries . I did laugh slightly at Kyle talking to the girls in the gym.
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Postby mario88 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:15 pm

It was brilliant how Cartman was able to turn poor Heidi into an antisemite. A masterpiece of manipulation.

He's also following the first principle of the manipulator: destroy the self-confidence of the manipulated person. In this case, by making her fat and then also making it notice in that manner.

In a scale of cruelty, this goes just under the Scott tenorman treatment.

This show has become dark, at least in some episodes like this one. It's like the authors of South Park want to explore the darkest parts of the human mind. I wonder how far they will go with this.
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Postby SouthAl93 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:53 pm

I think next week's episode most likely won't directly follow up on Doubling Down. Maybe we'll get an episode all about Mint Berry Crunch next week where they can spoof and reference Stephan Hawking's beliefs about how people should consider leaving Earth for new planets, that Japanese space station which is going to fall down to Earth, The Great American Eclipse from August, and/or maybe that time when an comet from another solar system zipped past our solar system. But we still need to know about the current fate about the couples at school who broke up last season thanks to Kyle's dad.
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