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DHS2020
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Postby DHS2020 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:28 am

My theory is you guys argue over theories and ignore facts around you and don't get people to testify or release information.

This keeps you busy.

Meanwhile, actual bills are being passed that allow any crimes that occured from 9/11/2001 until today are to be forgiven.

Crimes that may have been done not by you or anyone you know, but officials who have justified every action since 9/11
on 9/11.

But hey, you still get to watch tv and be witty.
AREK
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Postby AREK » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:29 am

Your response to my statement (by diverging from the point I was trying to make into which was more implausible IE the building being LITERALLY pulled down or demolished) proves more to everyone that you’re a disinfo agent


No kidding, dude, I already admitted it. I was in on the whole thing, but someone's welching on me by not passing along my share of the oil so I'm not playing ball. I'm hedging my bets because of Venezuela--if that goes according to plan I'll be back on board, but be nice to me here, there's right now a 60% chance I'll be the guy who brings down the whole thing.
zhang85
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Postby zhang85 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:33 am

I don't understand your comment about the circular reasoning AREK. Simply stated, war doesn't always go as planned in an unstable region. If that doesn't work for you then I guess I can't do anything about that.

Just keep in mind AREK, that I can't prove our motives were oil and defense money, just like I can't prove the government allowed the attacks to happen and set off incindiary devices in the buildings. Hell, if I could then the world would be a much different place! What I can do is cite specific documents like the PNAC and Defense Planning guidance, mention the warnings 12 leaders of different countries gave to us, and show, using calculations that the fires weren't that hot and the impacts were relatively weak among other things with the goal of presenting a strong case for my theory that other people will choose to accept or refuse to accept.

My hope obviously is that everyone will accept the theory, but being a realist I just hope that those who believe the official story will at the very least acknowledge the strength of the counter argument. It seems like I won't convince you because your beliefs are different than mine which is completely fine, but you can read my book when it comes out to get a more "gathered" and complete look at my evidence.

By the way, please read my last post about Iraq. I'll only be up another 10-15 minutes since I'm falling asleep at the keyboard.
OnagiPowa
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Postby OnagiPowa » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:33 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: NO NO Don't diverge into sarcasm you had something going there, run with it :wink:
zhang85
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Postby zhang85 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:38 am

The government (according to this) is willing to kill 3,000 people on 9/11. Rape Iraq. Steal its oil. And frame somebody else. I don't think it'd be that worried about dealing with Saddam Hussein. It sure didn't stop the French or the Russians.


It's all about the image we project! The dirty stuff is behind the scenes which is usually why it's been called "clandestine" the last 60 times we've done it. It'd be a political catastrophe, and by the way, even though I believe that we will rape Iraq, steal the oil, and kill 3,000 doesn't mean that everyone else in the world does or that the good Uncle Sam will take his evil twin out of the basement for the whole world to see![/quote]
AREK
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Postby AREK » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:39 am

OnagiPowa, if you blow my cover I will f'n kill you.

I set up Jack Bauer!!!
zhang85
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Postby zhang85 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:49 am

sorry if you're writing a response AREK, but I've got to go to bed....exams have been particularly hard this week.
OnagiPowa
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Postby OnagiPowa » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:32 am

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to "die before you die" --- and find that there is no death. -Eckhart Tolle

Peace out SUN
SEEKTHETRUTH
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Postby SEEKTHETRUTH » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:52 am

homerjjesse wrote:Besides, how much more difficult would the show have been if they wrote it from the completely opposite perspective; that Bush did plan out 9/11? It'd be a terrible mess to watch, and they'd get hung by their balls for it, if it would even be allowed to air.

yeah i find it funny that even tho they strive to push the envelope by using copius amount of cuss words, making cartmen fond of hitler... that they draw the line at indicating bush in the plot even tho there are plenty of people who believe so... dam wussies
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Postby SEEKTHETRUTH » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:13 am

on a serious note for all you sheeple...

what are the odds of...


1)the blackboxes being destroyed...

2)bldg 7 falling due to fire...

3)the pentagon being hit in the only place that was renovated for a plane collison..

4)NORAD supposedly conducting drills the exact same time the planes hit..

5)a passport can survive a jumbo jet collision..

6) thermate was 'convieniently found' and that they powered the towers down a few dayz before 9/11 for the exact amount of time it would take to set detonators...

7) nearly half of the hijackers are still alive today..

8) Numerous people from inside the building reported explosions after the planes hit..

9) Odigo, (an israeli based IM service) warned its employees in WTC the day before

10) that the supposed purpetrator is someone who has family that does buisness with our president...

11) the United States wanted to stage a terror attack in the past to go to war...

oh its all just a coincidence... all of it... every single last one...

:roll:
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homerjjesse
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Postby homerjjesse » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:52 pm

seektruth- I love the norad bullet. I remember bush going 'we never thought this could happen' yet norad was practicing this exact situation just months before. In the drills, the situation would have been taken care of in less then an hour.

So I'd like to make clear that lots of people think 9/11 happened because we needed to secure an ever-shrinking supply of oil, and because of an ballooning population, americans need more oil every year. Americans wouldn't get the oil they needed from trading nicely, because china, india, europe all wants that oil too. the only way to make sure we got it was to literally take it.

Go to http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ and read what you see. Yea, the guy is a little daffy, but he makes sense most of the time, and is points are based in fact.


Also, why does everyone think the government is morally incapable of 9/11? How many leaders last century killed tens of thousands without thinking twice? stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot, those are just the big names we learn about in school. Even recently there's darfur, kosovo, east timor, rwanda. What makes americans think that we are incapable of atrocities, but the rest of the world is capable of evil? Maybe Americans actually believe that we are the good guys, and the rest of the world are the evil ones.
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Postby MarkyX » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:15 pm

1)the blackboxes being destroyed...


Quite easily consideirng the billions of pounds of debris crushing down on the black box.

2)bldg 7 falling due to fire...


According to Chief Daniel Nigro, who gave the order to set up a collapse zone...very likely.

3)the pentagon being hit in the only place that was renovated for a plane collison..


1 out of 5 sides.

4)NORAD supposedly conducting drills the exact same time the planes hit..


Which...had...nothing...to...do...with...what...happened...on...9/11

They were talking about Russian bombs. By the way, I guarantee you right now there is a NORAD drill running as we type this.

5)a passport can survive a jumbo jet collision..


So did seat cushions and other parts of the plane. The recent plane accident involving that NY pitcher...passport.

6) thermate was 'convieniently found' and that they powered the towers down a few dayz before 9/11 for the exact amount of time it would take to set detonators...


You mean SULFUR. Sulfur was found and the WTC had sulfur-based drywall.

About the powerdowns, the J.Hudson building is the world's tallest steel frame building to be bought down by controlled demolition. It is 439 feet.

It took over 5000 charges to blow it up and 7 months of setting everything up.

The Twin Towers were 3.1 times higher then the World record. And it's taken down in a weekend's notice?

7) nearly half of the hijackers are still alive today..


I've already proven this wrong a few months back.

Numerous people from inside the building reported explosions after the planes hit..


So did the Windsor Building. It too had explosions. Oddly enough, the building stood still because it had a concrete core, while the steel portion of the building collapse. No plane even hit the building also. But it had explosions.

9) Odigo, (an israeli based I'm service) warned its employees in WTC the day before


Ah the anti-jewish remarks with NO source

10) that the supposed purpetrator is someone who has family that does buisness with our president...


Hooray racism!

Actually many of the Bin Ladens don't speak with Osama anymore because he is considered the black sheep of the family He was also exiled from his homeland, Saudi Arabia, in 1994.

There are some Bin Ladens living in the States right now. We should arrest them all, right?

11) the United States wanted to stage a terror attack in the past to go to war...


Northwoods that didn't KILL anyone. And that was DENIED by the government.

I love the norad bullet. I remember bush going 'we never thought this could happen' yet norad was practicing this exact situation just months before.


No they didn't. None of the exercises was identical to what happened on 9/11.

So I'd like to make clear that lots of people think 9/11 happened because we needed to secure an ever-shrinking supply of oil,


What shrinking supply? Alberta has enough oil to give to both the United States and Canada for the next 100 years. 1.0.0 :lol:
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rexmundi
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Postby rexmundi » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:57 pm

My favorite 911 truth seeker has went insane.

Matt and Trey did an excellant job of encapsulating the pop culture surrounding 911, and once again, got it spot on.

I'd like to thank you guys for putting an ass load of truth in the show, and giving props to 911truth.org.

I'm sure most of those cat's don't remember the shapeshifting succubus episode, where ya'll inserted GHWB as one of the brides guest.
An obvious prop to David Ikce.


Thanks again, and that episode will draw tens of thousands to the very websites who don't appreciate what you've done.


And after reading this post, I would like to thank the "jew paranoids" for validating ya'lls insertion of that aspect into the show.



Some people just don't get it.
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OnagiPowa
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Postby OnagiPowa » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:15 pm

Don’t talk about Icke or u might end up floating down the Potomac like CIA director William Colby. C'mown! Don’t be stupid chica :cry:

What i find funny is that the people who deny that the military industrial complex is evil enough to pull of 9/11 don’t know that their key figureheads like Rummy are the ones who created the need to go to war. The debunkers concentrate on building straw men on the facts and misconceptions but change the subject when people mention issues like the fact that Rumsfeld sold saddam anthrax and other bio weapons to use against Iran. They don't talk about how Rumsfeld was director of a company back in 2000 that sold North Korea nuclear reactors. OR the fact that he approved the use of Aspartame in soft drinks, etc. after it was banned by the FDA because scientists confirmed that it "might induce brain tumors." (If you're a flyboy in the Navy/AF you’re told not to drink soda due to the fact.)

They do business with nations of "the axis of evil" (before we name them evil) and drug cartels in Venezuela during the Iran Contra with Barry Seal, activity that almost brought down the entire drug network that brings in almost all of the cocaine and heroin in this nation...

OH and one of the key conspirators in Contra, Oliver North, is now a pundit on FOX News...

YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!

Yea, they're the reason why where at war and why America is so dumb down but I'm sure they would never pull a false flag op, gulf of tonkin was a "mistake". And it was a coincidence that JFK got killed after firing his defense secretary Robert McNamara (the architect of Operation Northwoods, a plan to stage 9/11 style attacks on US soil and blame it on Cuba in order to invade them) and attempting to disband the CIA and bring back the use of the greenback instead of using private industry controlled federal reserve notes.

Google: "Who Killed John O'Neill?"

Your move MizarkyX


EDIT: Almost forgot to mention “One of the two owners of the DC9 (tail number N900SA) busted at an airport in Ciudad del Carmen in the state of Campeche, Mexico last week freighted 5.5 tons of cocaine had been appointed in 2003 to the Business Advisory Council of the National Republican Congressional Committee by then-Congressional Majority Leader Tom Delay”
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Postby bsbray » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:42 pm

MarkyX wrote:
2)bldg 7 falling due to fire...


According to Chief Daniel Nigro, who gave the order to set up a collapse zone...very likely.


Probably because NYFD, NYPD, civilian medics and others were told ahead of time that WTC7 was going to be coming down.

The building itself exhibited no more damage than any other building affected, and was also one of the most reinforced buildings in the world, a reinforced concrete structure (steel and concrete construction, extremely fire resistant).

It also collapsed at free-fall speed onto its own footprint, straight down, with a neat little kink in the middle just like the most conventional of conventional controlled demolitions.

3)the pentagon being hit in the only place that was renovated for a plane collison..


1 out of 5 sides.


This is interesting considering that a terrorist hijacker would've had to have gone out of his way to hit this side in particular, and allegedly, one did. It wasn't classified info that this wing was under construction and almost totally vacant.

If someone wanted to inflict damage to the Pentagon, they would have hit a much more important face, or at least not gone out of their way to hit the least important one.

4)NORAD supposedly conducting drills the exact same time the planes hit..


Which...had...nothing...to...do...with...what...happened...on...9/11


Nope. NORAD was running a few exercises, and NORAD wasn't alone in running them. They redirected planes from the Northeast for the Russian thing, but then they also had wargames going on that affected RADAR, confusing FAA operators, of which there is credible testimony.

FEMA was running an exercise called "Tripod II" in Manhattan, and arrived there 9/10. The next morning, they were able to immediately spring into action and secure the site after the collapses.

The NRO headquarters near Washington DC was running a plane-into-building scenario which caused confusion as soon as the Pentagon attack was reported an hour before the NRO exercise was to take place. Part of the drill, or real life? Just as with the NORAD exercises, this caused confusion.

WTC7's fire alarm system was put on a mode that prevented it from going off at detection of fire early in the morning on 9/11. This is according to NIST. A financial tenant in WTC2 had a drill scheduled for the morning of 9/11, which was executed as its CEO was escorted by military to Offutt AFB.

Those are just the more prominent examples. There were other AFB drills going on in DC and surrounding areas, and more personal "coincidences" like rescheduling of one of Bush's relatives in a WTC Tower that saved his life, Larry Silverstein being out of the Towers for a scheduled appointment, etc., all key figures being well out of harm's way, and all relevant agencies being tied up and confused.

6) thermate was 'convieniently found' and that they powered the towers down a few dayz before 9/11 for the exact amount of time it would take to set detonators...


You mean SULFUR. Sulfur was found and the WTC had sulfur-based drywall.


Actually, sulfur was found diffused into the surface of a large column from one of the WTC buildings. For this to happen requires not only sulfur, but also applied temperatures (and HEAT) above and beyond what a hydrocarbon fire can produce, around 1000 C of HEAT (not flame temperature).

Thermate is based on thermite, which is only iron oxide and aluminum. That was found all over the place, but then again, it could be expected considering the buildings were constructed of steel columns with outer aluminum panels. What is unexplained is why so much of these materials were found as particles on the scale of microns, being breathed in by Ground Zero workers and causing all sorts of respiratory problems.

The Twin Towers were 3.1 times higher then the World record. And it's taken down in a weekend's notice?


Say it takes a weekend to wrap things up. Marvin Bush co-ran the WTC security company after the 1993 attacks for a number of years in which many maintenance teams were brought in for things like "cabling upgrades", which allowed extended access to the central core structures of the buildings for days at a time, closing off a few floors at a time as the work progressed.

Oddly enough, the [Windsor Tower] stood still because it had a concrete core, while the steel portion of the building collapse. No plane even hit the building also.


The steel in that building that collapsed was on the uppermost floors, and looked to be about three inches in diameter, little tubular "columns" that ran across the outer face to hold windows and etc. up. Not comparable to huge box columns that were three inches thick all the way around.

9) Odigo, (an israeli based I'm service) warned its employees in WTC the day before


Ah the anti-jewish remarks with NO source


A source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShAr ... ID=/has%5C

11) the United States wanted to stage a terror attack in the past to go to war...


Northwoods that didn't KILL anyone.


Only because it wasn't carried out. One of the proposed events involved attacking our own military bases, and firing mortar shells into it. Sinking our own ships was also considered, a la the USS Maine. Just because the document did not directly state "We're going to kill our own people!" doesn't mean the events themselves would not have caused fatalities anyway.
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