*1012: Go God Go*

Discuss new episodes without ruining them for people in other time zones.

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Postby hainted » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:44 pm

Yeah intelligent militant sea otters are funny.I think they are saying you have to be Buck Rogers in the 25th Century in order to see any proof of any evolution at all.So science willing if we all freeze ourselves now then in 500 years or so we might see some sort of actual proof of evolution,science willing,lol.Except when we get there I doubt there would be any proof of actual evolution at all,nor would there be any intelligent militant sea otters.The only evolution we would see would be that our society had evolved into an even gayer one than the one we have now.
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Postby iceiwynd » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:49 pm

PatrickvD wrote:Everyone always blames religion for the wars we start over and over again. But would things be better if everyone was atheist?


Things might not be better if everyone was atheist, but you can't deny that religion has caused quite a few wars. The Crusades, what's going on in the Middle East right now? Those are pretty religion-centric.

The problem isn't what you believe in, it's how you express yourself. If everyone was religious but also respectful of everyone else's beliefs, then things would be great. Instead we've got extremists blowing sh*t up and going on mad protesting rages and making others uncomfortable. That's where the problem lies, because there are too many dumbf*cks in the world who assume that it's only their opinion or beliefs system that's the right one, and if you don't agree then you deserve to die.

(On a side note, the exact same thing can easily be said for all of the "these new episodes suck" people who obsess over that idea. I'm only mentioning this because this episode caused quite a bit of that to pop up. But if all you do is whine about it - how you express yourself - and look extra hard for some flaws just to get yourself more worked up about it, then people aren't going to respond to you well. If you just count your losses and move on without posting in a fit of SHEER RAGE!!!!! or sheer disappointment, either, then you're gonna avoid a lot of the arguments we get on here. Yeah. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the message, but if you express it in a poor, selfish way, then that's what's going to set people off.)
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Postby PeterII » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:54 pm

Ok... so why Go God Go Part [i:96e74]II[/i:96e74]?

This can only mean that "Part I" is going to take place BEFORE this episode. And this can only mean that the future scientists will indeed send Cartman back in time to do whatever.... but they fail and send him back into the past. WAAAAY back into the past. So much back into the past that Cartman will end up .... creating life. Maybe by leaving some "organic matter" in a pool on primitive earth. Now THAT's something that I'd like to see...
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Postby Kyle the Skeptic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:16 pm

iceiwynd wrote:Things might not be better if everyone was atheist, but you can't deny that religion has caused quite a few wars. The Crusades, what's going on in the Middle East right now? Those are pretty religion-centric.

The problem isn't what you believe in, it's how you express yourself. If everyone was religious but also respectful of everyone else's beliefs, then things would be great. Instead we've got extremists blowing sh*t up and going on mad protesting rages and making others uncomfortable. That's where the problem lies, because there are too many dumbf*cks in the world who assume that it's only their opinion or beliefs system that's the right one, and if you don't agree then you deserve to die.

Absolutely.

There happens to be one point I don't agree with Dawkins on. As a biologist this should have been obvious to him - chimpanzees, our closest genetic relatives, have been known to form war parties in order to wipe out rival groups of chimps. Chimps certainly don't have any cultural behavior remotely resembling religion, yet they still kill each other over territory and resources. So if there were no religion, the most dangerous and vicious primates around (humans) would still find excuses to slaughter each other for stupid reasons. We evolved as competitive animals. Religion is primarily a catalyst for our behavior; remove the catalyst and the predisposition is still there.


On a side note, if there were no more religion there would be no more atheism either. If the initial idea no longer exists, the counter argument would fade into obscurity and become moot as well. We would still have philosophies and cultural traditions, but if there were literally no religion then atheism would only exist as a philosophical hypothesis.
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Postby tdewey » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:47 pm

Kyle the Skeptic wrote:
iceiwynd wrote:Things might not be better if everyone was atheist, but you can't deny that religion has caused quite a few wars. The Crusades, what's going on in the Middle East right now? Those are pretty religion-centric.

The problem isn't what you believe in, it's how you express yourself. If everyone was religious but also respectful of everyone else's beliefs, then things would be great. Instead we've got extremists blowing sh*t up and going on mad protesting rages and making others uncomfortable. That's where the problem lies, because there are too many dumbf*cks in the world who assume that it's only their opinion or beliefs system that's the right one, and if you don't agree then you deserve to die.

Absolutely.


Umm. As compared to what? Most wars are caused by population pressure and nationalism. However with respect to recent atheists -- there's lots of blood on their hands: Stalin killed 25,000,000 of his own folks for various reasons -- none having to do with his religion (though perhaps some having to do with his victim's religion). The Khmer Rouge killed almost 2 million folks for wearing glasses or being literate. Che Guevera killed thousands of Cubans. None of these guys were particularly religious.

Anyway, asking for peace on earth, goodwill to all men isn't particularly realistic -- people being people, it isn't likely to happen.
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Postby Kyle the Skeptic » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:49 am

I've been over this already. This is a false-cause fallacy, because communism is not atheism. Leaders such as Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot instituted states of communism, pushing it on their people as though it were religious doctrine. It was only as an afterthought that they tried to bring in atheism, in order to keep competing "religions" from taking root. So there was really no difference between them and other religious warmongers. Regardless it's impossible to go to war "in the name of" nothing. If you're going to blame any doctrine for those killings, then the blame should be placed squarely on the shoulders of communism where it belongs.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8341.htm


Religion needs to be reformed, not abolished. It's far more realistic to encourage people to change than to tell them to give up their beliefs altogether. Much has already been accomplished in this direction over the past few centuries. For example, there was once a time when people would have been burned at the stake for being skeptical of creationism. Now even the Vatican accepts evolution as fact (well at least John Paul II did).
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Postby Grizim » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:36 am

The episode was okay. I hear a lot of people ranting and raving about it. I mean there was nothing special but it wasn't that bad. I still only watched it once and I don't feel like watching it again. It didn't bother me though. However Mrs. Garrison gets annoying sometimes. The whole "I'm a woman" thing is getting old. The "I'm not gay" line lasted several years without ever getting stale but the woman thing has been around for only a year and a half and I'm already irritated by it.

I don't know why some people still doubt evolution. There's evidence. I don't have a problem with religious people but they're blind to me if they hear about evolution and then simply throw the thought of it away but saying it's not true. I never really argue with the Christains I know about it, but one time when I did bring the subject up to a religious friend of mine, she quickly replied that evolution does exist but there was a beginning when two spirits were created (Adam and Eve) and placed in two of the fully-developed humans. In other words, physically we developed scientifically but there was a set time when we were given souls. Although that makes sense, I have no take on it, because I really don't care. If I go to Hell so be it. I'll enjoy Satan's costume parties when I'm there.
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Postby Rebecca_Cutswald » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:24 am

UHG, I am happy that Chaos returned...and the little girl with nutty religious parents was cool... for me.

But this episode sucked. So much of it was only for the purpose of taking up time. Cartman waiting for the Wii, that was done in the PSP episode and was lame. Garrison as a woman, I agree, is f*cking horrible and not even a good laugh. Garrison was mildly scary before, now "she" f*cking gives me nightmares. I guess I'm a "transexual phobic..." so the f*ck what. God damn she's an ugly bitch. This was the first episode all season I didn't let my brother watch. (Well my dad wouldn't let him watch Miss Teacher, though that one really didn't gross me out.) I agree with their stance and all... but EW! Garrison and Dawkins having sex... might have been funny if they showed it once, but easily 70% or more of the episode was spent on Garrison and Dawkins f*cking eachother and/or Cartman waiting for his Wii. BORING

I hate to admit it, but I was bored shitless this episode and I couldn't force myself to rewatch it, even though I'm glad Prof. Chaos returned... this episode was borrriiiing.

And there is soo much more that can be done with Creationism/Aetheism/Evolution. Come on guys! It's good material and you wasted it on ten minutes of Man sex and a brat whining about his Wii. I get enough of both here in real life LA thankyou very much.
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Postby jawmht » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:53 am

Rebecca_Cutswald wrote: I guess I'm a "transexual phobic..."


eunuch-pseudoporn-phobic. :lol:
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Postby BRMBug » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:10 am

I mentioned this in the Images/Video Download thread about 1012, but what was with that one robot arm tickling Cartman's taint? That must be some new method of reviving a person, stick your thumb up their butt hole.
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Postby Rebecca_Cutswald » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:55 pm

BRMBug wrote: That must be some new method of reviving a person, stick your thumb up their butt hole.


LOL... try it. :lol: more like a new method for getting punched in the face Maybe the new atheists are obsessed with butt sex. I noticed their hats all resembled dooshes.
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Postby crazyQH » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:00 pm

Rebecca_Cutswald wrote:
BRMBug wrote: That must be some new method of reviving a person, stick your thumb up their butt hole.


LOL... try it. :lol: more like a new method for getting punched in the face Maybe the new atheists are obsessed with butt sex. I noticed their hats all resembled dooshes.


Yeah those hats were, uh, interesting? I think they were supposed to look like condoms to represent everyone in the future (atheists) were dickheads. XD

Also, I still can't get over the randomness of the otters. They didn't even show those until the last minute or so of the episode, and apperantly they are going to have a big part in next week's episode. I still really, really have a hunch it's all a dream. Maybe next week's episode will start off at the bus stop or somewhere (since they brought that place back) and Cartman runs up to the boys and is like, "Oh my god you guys, I had the weirdest f*cking dream ever..."
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Postby BRMBug » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:08 pm

I think he's having hypothermic hallucinations.
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Postby Wirt's Arm » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:34 pm

I belive the point they are trying to make is that we don't need religion to kill each other :) optimistic
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Postby Shiek927 » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:46 pm

Funny, In this episode nearly everyone objects too Cartman freezing himself because he will die, yet in Prehistoric Ice Man, Larry(Steve/Gorak) lived in ice for 3 years because it preserved him. :D
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