Kensuke wrote:All I know is that both shows were funnier in their older episodes.
That can be said about most anything thats had a good run.
I like how The Simpsons deal with this. They take it as all in fun for comedy and Groening makes friends with both the "enemies".
I want South Park and Family Guy to be friends. And I'd like for Matt & Trey to realize that its a f*cking cartoon that does not need to follow these basic story structures/character development whatever.
M&T take what they do too seriously themselves at times.
"I have only two modes, at war with something, or having sex with it. There is no middle ground"
I think the episodes made it topical for them to weigh in on a subject that was previously only discussed by users who liked FG and talked amongst themselves about it. It's the same way I don't post in a thread about something that's not of interest to me. But if it comes up in the show, I'll throw my 2 cents in.
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> [quote="Kensuke"]All I know is that both shows were funnier in
> their older episodes.[/quote]
> That can be said about most anything thats had a good run.
> I like how The Simpsons deal with this. They take it as all in fun for
> comedy and Groening makes friends with both the "enemies".
> I want South Park and Family Guy to be friends. And I'd like for Matt &
> Trey to realize that its a f*cking cartoon that does not need to follow
> these basic story structures/character development whatever.
> M&T take what they do too seriously themselves at times.
Actually, if it didn't, I would stop watching it. Stupid humor all over the place does not a good show make.
> Family guy has done n episode without cutscenes now. Take that Wii Fit you
An ENTIRE episode out of 7 seasons? WOW! That's so impressive.
A dog eats sh*t. A kid drinks beer, then gets his ear pierced, and then the dog *who talks* talks about killing himself with a gun because he is out of beer.
That was a good episode . I wonder where our teens get it these days. If the suicide rate goes up tonight because brian said it was cool...don't blame me!!
- Meg, You're a smart fella dad!
- Peter, And you're a fart smella Meg! *Farts in megs face*
I will admit that i LMFAO'd @ that.
But one thing has ruined my perception on Family Guy, And that is as follows.
The other week I convinced myself to sit on my bed and watch a lil' bit of FG. A few minutes in with it's usual plot skips (What I like to call when they go from one thing to another really quick, pretty much skipping parts of the story which would lead a viewer like me clueless in the cartoon), Yes anyways, A few minutes in, Peter says he needs a distraction. Then, For f*cks sake, This video of some guy singing back in the 70's or 80's comes on. I waited a minute for this thing to go away. I thought to myself surely if I go get a drink and return it shall be gone. But nope. Still there.
This went on for very long. And it just isn't in this episode, it's in others when they use sh*t like this to take up time they shouldn't be allowed to have if they're going to waste it on pure utter crap
As god said to Moses: "Not my f*ckin' problem champ" :D
> This is just my anecdote, but if there were lots of non-fans of FG around
> here they didn't have anything to say about it in any of the pre-Cartoon
> Wars threads about FG. No one really expressed their dislike of Family Guy
> or MacFarlane prior that. This was probably because they just didn't
> participate in any of those threads and when the subject came up in the
> series, they felt it finally necessary to express their opinion.
> I think the episodes made it topical for them to weigh in on a subject that
> was previously only discussed by users who liked FG and talked amongst
> themselves about it. It's the same way I don't post in a thread about
> something that's not of interest to me. But if it comes up in the show,
> I'll throw my 2 cents in.
Triplemultiplex - "you and me are the same maaan" (recognize that quote from Falling Down? scare you?)
But seriously, I'm starting to waste a lot of my retraining supposedly working interweb time here in the SPS forums, and your posts make sense every time on the button!
FG & SP are apples and oranges! This was obvious before cartoon wars. Nuff said!
(which is OK in it's own way, but doesn't have the depth, subtlety or character development of SP or Simpsons).
Family Guy used to be funny. Stewie was trying to kill Lois, Stewie was the only smart one in the family, Lois was the voice of reason, Chris was a simple but lovable twerp, Meg was the awkward teenager and the family pariah, Brian was sophisticated and the only person who understood Stewie, and Peter was Homer Simpson but not as lovable. I don't know when it got worse, but I have watched the recent episodes and been really dissapointed. There is absolutely NO character definition now, anyone can do anything. It's hard to respect or even like the writing or the final product when something Lois does could have been done by Peter, or Chris, or Brian, or Quagmire, or possibly even Stewie. Stewie also has no consistency as well, except for the weird ass closeted homo-sexual references that they throw in for god knows why.
Getting past the characters though, the show's writing as others have posted is not difficult, and most of the time not funny. Why is referencing a random celebrity or movie with no real joke supposed to be funny? Sometimes I will be interested in what the cut-away brings, but because of no set-up/all punchline it falls flat. Also it gets up it's own ass with it's preachy ass message, there's no subtle hint or clever word play, they tell you blankly WHAT IS RIGHT (meaning their point of view).
I will say that I never noticed how often they cut away from the story and used any interchangable joke so much until the Cartoon Wars episodes, but I still like FG at that point and it wasn't until a little later that I stopped liking it all together. The FCC song in particular is an example of funny FG; partly because of a full point being made and clever writing used. But jokes like on the last episode I watched where in a cut scene referencing animals killing other animals, a cat walking into his bathroom finding the message "welcome to the world of feline aids" on his bathroom from his recent sexual partner was pointless, and incredibly f*cked up. That cinched it for me that while that episode was already not funny, they had to try and throw something so controversial and disgusting to; I don't know, "be Family Guy"?
Bottomline is I think the majority of South Park watchers don't like Family Guy not because of the South Park episode, but because for all the reasons South Park is good, Family Guy is not. It's intelligent, topical, NEVER tells you HOW to feel, not scared to bring up a topic that's taboo but handles it expertly, and is able to use satire perfectly to surprise you with something you didn't expect. But with South Park there is almost always a build up to the joke, which creates interest and involvement. With Family Guy you have no involvement, you're just watching stupid sh*t happen to stupid people. I can think of much better things to do with 22 minutes then watch a show that will entertain me for probably 3 of them, sorry.
I do however still watch American Dad and The Cleveland Show.. notice how there's a lot less cut away scenes in those shows and they're more story driven. This allows jokes to be funny since they're set up storylines and made me commit to a characters motivations. A recent episode where francine was trying to get Stan's sperm out of the secret base and blasts open the whole tank spilling white goo all over the floor into a wave, then seeing they're in the milk factory and saying "Oh that's a lot less gross" was pretty funny, surprised me and turned the gross overdone joke into a clever switcharoo. Also American Dad has 3 creators and Cleveland show has 2.. is Seth Mcfarlane alone on FG? If so, he is the weakest link.
Then I watched Cartoon Wars. OMG! I say this as a former online columnist (I hate the word blogger since it implies no journalistic integrity), I don't even come close to having the words to describe how brilliant those 2 episodes are.
Then I watched it again.
By the time I was done dissecting it, much the way you would your favorite song, I finally got around to watching an episode of FG and do you know what? M & T ruined it for me.
I was already disenchanted with the newer stuff, but it really did start coming off as an over-sized game of madlibs to me. I just didn't find it that funny anymore.
Since then I still throw it on every once in a while, but I can never make it through an entire show unless I'm doing something else and the tv is just background noise.
Does that make me a fanboi? A M&T drone? Frankly I don't think so, but I also don't really care one way or another. I'm going to watch what I enjoy, and when I stop enjoying something I'm going to stop watching it. Case in point, I was so turned off by the King of the Hill series finale that I still haven't gone back to the earlier stuff that I did like (a lot, I might add).
If you enjoy FG, more power to you, but I'm not going to feel bad because SP turned me off to it. Then again, its just a couple of cartoons we're discussing. It would be a different story if I started becoming a Taliban sympathizer because I agreed with their point that the western world has become too corrupt. Some things in life require serious contemplation and due diligence. Entertainment choices don't qualify.
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